From patrik at sigterm.se Fri Jul 1 13:29:19 2016 From: patrik at sigterm.se (Patrik Lundin) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 19:29:19 +0200 Subject: [talk] NSD and reverse zone files In-Reply-To: <1594560156.22391.1467329065642.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1333215452.2597762.1467072029440.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <608070375.2612894.1467082530741.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <895732087.2886855.1467119976486.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <20160630062303.GA6512@major.strace.se> <20160630150417.GA58511@major.strace.se> <20160630163659.GA78211@carbon.khaoz.org> <1594560156.22391.1467329065642.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20160701172919.GA83295@major.strace.se> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 11:24:25PM +0000, Mark Saad wrote: > All > So Here is the unbound config. > > http://pastebin.com/qwUcM7XD > I tried a few iterations of this but still I get no reply from nsd > After playing around with your config I think I have tracked down your problem: The combination of DNSSEC validation and the forward-zone statament for ".": === forward-zone: name: "." forward-addr: 8.8.4.4 === unbound attempts to validate the 168.192.in-addr.arpa zone, which fails when asking the Google recursive service because the answer it sends does not contain the signed NSEC record necessary. The result of insecure DNSSEC is SERVFAIL which explains what you are seeing. Compare the output of asking for a DS record towards a server authoritative for 192.in-addr.arpa (z.arin.net) and the 8.8.4.4 server: === $ dig +dnssec @z.arin.net 168.192.in-addr.arpa DS ; <<>> DiG 9.4.2-P2 <<>> +dnssec @z.arin.net 168.192.in-addr.arpa DS ; (1 server found) ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 7545 ;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 4, ADDITIONAL: 1 ;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION: ; EDNS: version: 0, flags: do; udp: 4096 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;168.192.in-addr.arpa. IN DS ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: 192.in-addr.arpa. 10800 IN SOA z.arin.net. dns-ops.arin.net. 2016031872 1800 900 691200 10800 192.in-addr.arpa. 10800 IN RRSIG SOA 5 3 86400 20160715163218 20160701153218 57162 192.in-addr.arpa. s8EDRm7pHD4HNvTzpOdp0+JyKGEJ2w5HzgHmAfHZooCS0dKd5G0pKvPT U6kTjTOpkcUF4r1vePcCYCqt/+tEt3W+8UiCz5HoWB1ZEKqs/4Fwebsg aCgejp1bSCJ8dCfYtkHwx+R8nXJHm9Jks5HpKcUVE++7D9YPS/6sekXh v8c= 168.192.in-addr.arpa. 10800 IN NSEC 0.169.192.in-addr.arpa. NS RRSIG NSEC 168.192.in-addr.arpa. 10800 IN RRSIG NSEC 5 4 10800 20160715163218 20160701153218 57162 192.in-addr.arpa. HhScKFNyeJbb0bF1iA28mOKkvkiKhDJ31LhCVS1YwK1l3tWxBBoVsvZi nQWo0T9++LMKJ+Ku0q46MeF3LQq9RBDyE8OQp14B4ZEScjdGj3P16NJa WIDyHTzolwU/Ddn6r98IwjMDe+DBAHpQ5WbaViCIVeo0PS7htmpFOJj1 4wo= ;; Query time: 114 msec ;; SERVER: 199.212.0.63#53(199.212.0.63) ;; WHEN: Fri Jul 1 19:14:08 2016 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 499 === === $ dig +dnssec @8.8.4.4 168.192.in-addr.arpa DS ; <<>> DiG 9.4.2-P2 <<>> +dnssec @8.8.4.4 168.192.in-addr.arpa DS ; (1 server found) ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 54545 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1 ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION: ; EDNS: version: 0, flags: do; udp: 512 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;168.192.in-addr.arpa. IN DS ;; Query time: 2 msec ;; SERVER: 8.8.4.4#53(8.8.4.4) ;; WHEN: Fri Jul 1 19:14:47 2016 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 49 === Running unbound in debug mode (-d) with the forward-zone results in this message: === [1467392180] unbound[8069:0] info: Could not establish a chain of trust to keys for 168.192.in-addr.arpa. DNSKEY IN === Removing the forward-zone makes it look like this: === [1467392798] unbound[20823:0] info: NSEC RRset for the referral proved no DS. === If you want to keep the forward-zone statement your best bet to solve this is probably to add this: === domain-insecure: 168.192.in-addr.arpa === Even if you decide to remove the forward-zone it might still be a good idea to add the domain-insecure line, because it removes the extra work needed by unbound (which actually introduces a small delay in an initial lookup of a name) to check that the zone is insecure. Since the RFC1918 zones can never be DNSSEC-delegated from the root this work is unnecessary anyway unless you decide to add your own trust anchors. -- Patrik Lundin From patrik at sigterm.se Fri Jul 1 13:47:19 2016 From: patrik at sigterm.se (Patrik Lundin) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 19:47:19 +0200 Subject: [talk] NSD and reverse zone files In-Reply-To: <20160701172919.GA83295@major.strace.se> References: <608070375.2612894.1467082530741.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <895732087.2886855.1467119976486.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <20160630062303.GA6512@major.strace.se> <20160630150417.GA58511@major.strace.se> <20160630163659.GA78211@carbon.khaoz.org> <1594560156.22391.1467329065642.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <20160701172919.GA83295@major.strace.se> Message-ID: <20160701174719.GB83295@major.strace.se> On Fri, Jul 01, 2016 at 07:29:19PM +0200, Patrik Lundin wrote: > > The result of insecure DNSSEC is SERVFAIL which explains what you are > seeing. > Ugh, poor wording. The result of _bogus_ DNSSEC is SERVFAIL. -- Patrik Lundin From mark.saad at ymail.com Fri Jul 1 15:42:41 2016 From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 15:42:41 -0400 Subject: [talk] NSD and reverse zone files In-Reply-To: <20160701172919.GA83295@major.strace.se> References: <1333215452.2597762.1467072029440.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <608070375.2612894.1467082530741.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <895732087.2886855.1467119976486.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <20160630062303.GA6512@major.strace.se> <20160630150417.GA58511@major.strace.se> <20160630163659.GA78211@carbon.khaoz.org> <1594560156.22391.1467329065642.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <20160701172919.GA83295@major.strace.se> Message-ID: <0F179275-C17B-45FF-8E71-9064BE9D8855@ymail.com> Patrik Wow now that I look at what I did ; I can't believe how obvious that mistake looks . Fix that later tonight and see how it works . --- Mark Saad | mark.saad at ymail.com > On Jul 1, 2016, at 1:29 PM, Patrik Lundin wrote: > >> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 11:24:25PM +0000, Mark Saad wrote: >> All >> So Here is the unbound config. >> >> http://pastebin.com/qwUcM7XD >> I tried a few iterations of this but still I get no reply from nsd > > After playing around with your config I think I have tracked down your > problem: The combination of DNSSEC validation and the forward-zone > statament for ".": > === > forward-zone: > name: "." > forward-addr: 8.8.4.4 > === > > unbound attempts to validate the 168.192.in-addr.arpa zone, which fails > when asking the Google recursive service because the answer it sends > does not contain the signed NSEC record necessary. The result of insecure > DNSSEC is SERVFAIL which explains what you are seeing. > > Compare the output of asking for a DS record towards a server > authoritative for 192.in-addr.arpa (z.arin.net) and the 8.8.4.4 server: > > === > $ dig +dnssec @z.arin.net 168.192.in-addr.arpa DS > > ; <<>> DiG 9.4.2-P2 <<>> +dnssec @z.arin.net 168.192.in-addr.arpa DS > ; (1 server found) > ;; global options: printcmd > ;; Got answer: > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 7545 > ;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 4, ADDITIONAL: 1 > ;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available > > ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION: > ; EDNS: version: 0, flags: do; udp: 4096 > ;; QUESTION SECTION: > ;168.192.in-addr.arpa. IN DS > > ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: > 192.in-addr.arpa. 10800 IN SOA z.arin.net. dns-ops.arin.net. 2016031872 1800 900 691200 10800 > 192.in-addr.arpa. 10800 IN RRSIG SOA 5 3 86400 20160715163218 20160701153218 57162 192.in-addr.arpa. s8EDRm7pHD4HNvTzpOdp0+JyKGEJ2w5HzgHmAfHZooCS0dKd5G0pKvPT U6kTjTOpkcUF4r1vePcCYCqt/+tEt3W+8UiCz5HoWB1ZEKqs/4Fwebsg aCgejp1bSCJ8dCfYtkHwx+R8nXJHm9Jks5HpKcUVE++7D9YPS/6sekXh v8c= > 168.192.in-addr.arpa. 10800 IN NSEC 0.169.192.in-addr.arpa. NS RRSIG NSEC > 168.192.in-addr.arpa. 10800 IN RRSIG NSEC 5 4 10800 20160715163218 20160701153218 57162 192.in-addr.arpa. HhScKFNyeJbb0bF1iA28mOKkvkiKhDJ31LhCVS1YwK1l3tWxBBoVsvZi nQWo0T9++LMKJ+Ku0q46MeF3LQq9RBDyE8OQp14B4ZEScjdGj3P16NJa WIDyHTzolwU/Ddn6r98IwjMDe+DBAHpQ5WbaViCIVeo0PS7htmpFOJj1 4wo= > > ;; Query time: 114 msec > ;; SERVER: 199.212.0.63#53(199.212.0.63) > ;; WHEN: Fri Jul 1 19:14:08 2016 > ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 499 > === > > === > $ dig +dnssec @8.8.4.4 168.192.in-addr.arpa DS > > ; <<>> DiG 9.4.2-P2 <<>> +dnssec @8.8.4.4 168.192.in-addr.arpa DS > ; (1 server found) > ;; global options: printcmd > ;; Got answer: > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 54545 > ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1 > > ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION: > ; EDNS: version: 0, flags: do; udp: 512 > ;; QUESTION SECTION: > ;168.192.in-addr.arpa. IN DS > > ;; Query time: 2 msec > ;; SERVER: 8.8.4.4#53(8.8.4.4) > ;; WHEN: Fri Jul 1 19:14:47 2016 > ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 49 > === > > Running unbound in debug mode (-d) with the forward-zone results in this message: > === > [1467392180] unbound[8069:0] info: Could not establish a chain of trust to keys for 168.192.in-addr.arpa. DNSKEY IN > === > > Removing the forward-zone makes it look like this: > === > [1467392798] unbound[20823:0] info: NSEC RRset for the referral proved no DS. > === > > If you want to keep the forward-zone statement your best bet to solve this is > probably to add this: > === > domain-insecure: 168.192.in-addr.arpa > === > > Even if you decide to remove the forward-zone it might still be a good > idea to add the domain-insecure line, because it removes the extra work needed > by unbound (which actually introduces a small delay in an initial lookup of a > name) to check that the zone is insecure. > > Since the RFC1918 zones can never be DNSSEC-delegated from the root this work > is unnecessary anyway unless you decide to add your own trust anchors. > > -- > Patrik Lundin From patrik at sigterm.se Fri Jul 1 16:26:12 2016 From: patrik at sigterm.se (Patrik Lundin) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 22:26:12 +0200 Subject: [talk] NSD and reverse zone files In-Reply-To: <0F179275-C17B-45FF-8E71-9064BE9D8855@ymail.com> References: <608070375.2612894.1467082530741.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <895732087.2886855.1467119976486.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <20160630062303.GA6512@major.strace.se> <20160630150417.GA58511@major.strace.se> <20160630163659.GA78211@carbon.khaoz.org> <1594560156.22391.1467329065642.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <20160701172919.GA83295@major.strace.se> <0F179275-C17B-45FF-8E71-9064BE9D8855@ymail.com> Message-ID: <20160701202612.GA99238@major.strace.se> On Fri, Jul 01, 2016 at 03:42:41PM -0400, Mark Saad wrote: > Patrik > Wow now that I look at what I did ; I can't believe how obvious that > mistake looks . Fix that later tonight and see how it works . To be clear the problem isnt really the forward-zone statement in itself. The problem is that the google DNS service does not give the real answer to that query. They make up their own NXDOMAIN it seems. If you keep using that forward statement but instead point it at a recursive server that does not do that kind of trickery it should work as well. -- Patrik Lundin From ike at blackskyresearch.net Sun Jul 3 17:00:12 2016 From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac (.ike) Levy) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 17:00:12 -0400 Subject: [talk] Recommendations for PATA? Message-ID: <12B3CA8A-FFA7-4DCD-8C91-7058AEC81561@blackskyresearch.net> Hey All, I've searched around, but I'd love to know if anyone on list has experience with some great PATA->USB solution? I'm looking to consolidate the contents of some old PATA drives, about 30x drives to dump and destroy. (half dozen of them are 2.5" PATA). Aside from various cheap cable PATA/USB converters, has anyone seen any good cabling hardware/setup for old PATA drives? I've grown accustomed to the convenience of the SATA "Toasters" for this sort of consolidation work- SATA is obviously so much more forgiving... All the old PATA bent pins, jumpers, etc... I'm looking for some setup that helps me minimize all the breakage and get this work completed relatively painlessly and reliably from a HW perspective. Thanks in advance for any recommendations?! Best, .ike From mcevoy.pat at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 18:24:40 2016 From: mcevoy.pat at gmail.com (Pat McEvoy) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 18:24:40 -0400 Subject: [talk] Recommendations for PATA? In-Reply-To: <12B3CA8A-FFA7-4DCD-8C91-7058AEC81561@blackskyresearch.net> References: <12B3CA8A-FFA7-4DCD-8C91-7058AEC81561@blackskyresearch.net> Message-ID: <551FC3C0-0447-44AB-AB29-EC35C5BD29AA@gmail.com> Patrick McEvoy > On Jul 3, 2016, at 5:00 PM, Isaac (.ike) Levy wrote: > > Hey All, > > I've searched around, but I'd love to know if anyone on list has experience with some great PATA->USB solution? > > I'm looking to consolidate the contents of some old PATA drives, about 30x drives to dump and destroy. (half dozen of them are 2.5" PATA). > > Aside from various cheap cable PATA/USB converters, has anyone seen any good cabling hardware/setup for old PATA drives? I've grown accustomed to the convenience of the SATA "Toasters" for this sort of consolidation work- SATA is obviously so much more forgiving... > All the old PATA bent pins, jumpers, etc... I'm looking for some setup that helps me minimize all the breakage and get this work completed relatively painlessly and reliably from a HW perspective. > > Thanks in advance for any recommendations?! > > What do you think about WiebeTech drives? I have had good luck with them in years past. All enclosures / drive docks I have purchased from them are still working. I have not made any purchases since they were sold, but PreSale build quality was fantastic. http://www.cru-inc.com/products/wiebetech/wiebetech_usb_drivedock_v5/ Drives supported: PATA/IDE 2.5" drives (with PATA Adapter 25) PATA/IDE 3.5 SATA 2.5" drives SATA 3.5" drives Hitachi 1.8" drives (with PATA Adapter 25) Toshiba 1.8" drives (with PATA Adapter 18-TOSH) Compact Flash (with PATA Adapter MCB) SD Card (with PATA Adapter MCB) Memory Stick (with PATA Adapter MCB) PCMCIA (with PATA Adapter MCB) MacBook Air 2010 (with SATA Adapter MBA2010) MSATA (with SATA Adapter mSATA) MC (with PATA Adapter MCB) DOM (with PATA Adapter DOM) Mini PCIe PATA (with PATA Adapter mPCIe) Mini PCIe SATA (with PATA Adapter mPCIe) Micro Drives (with PATA Adapter MCB) Mini PCIe USB (with PATA Adapter mPCIe) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've grown accustomed to the convenience of the SATA "Toasters" for this sort of consolidation work- SATA is obviously so much more forgiving... >> All the old PATA bent pins, jumpers, etc... I'm looking for some setup that helps me minimize all the breakage and get this work completed relatively painlessly and reliably from a HW perspective. >> >> Thanks in advance for any recommendations?! > What do you think about WiebeTech drives? I have had good luck with them in years past. All enclosures / drive docks I have purchased from them are still working. I have not made any purchases since they were sold, but PreSale build quality was fantastic. > > http://www.cru-inc.com/products/wiebetech/wiebetech_usb_drivedock_v5/ > > Drives supported: > > PATA/IDE 2.5" drives (with PATA Adapter 25) > PATA/IDE 3.5 > SATA 2.5" drives > SATA 3.5" drives > Hitachi 1.8" drives (with PATA Adapter 25) > Toshiba 1.8" drives (with PATA Adapter 18-TOSH) > Compact Flash (with PATA Adapter MCB) > SD Card (with PATA Adapter MCB) > Memory Stick (with PATA Adapter MCB) > PCMCIA (with PATA Adapter MCB) > MacBook Air 2010 (with SATA Adapter MBA2010) > MSATA (with SATA Adapter mSATA) > MC (with PATA Adapter MCB) > DOM (with PATA Adapter DOM) > Mini PCIe PATA (with PATA Adapter mPCIe) > Mini PCIe SATA (with PATA Adapter mPCIe) > Micro Drives (with PATA Adapter MCB) > Mini PCIe USB (with PATA Adapter mPCIe) Wow, really good one, that's about as complete as it gets for my current cleanup- and would replace a whole drawer of junk for me. Thanks! 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There are now two different full *BSD operating systems for these microcontrollers: RetroBSD, a port of 2.11BSD, and LiteBSD, based on 4.4BSD-Lite2. This talk introduces the two smallest BSDs, the differences between them, what hardware you need (with hands-on demos), and how to get involved. We'll overview what works, what doesn't, the challenges of writing a complete operating system with extremely small RAM limits in the modern era, and how to incorporate *BSD on the microcontroller into your *BSD universe. Speaker Bio Brian is a Ph.D. candidate in the Department of Science and Technology Studies at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. His research explores how underserved groups vie for legitimacy and normalcy in the IT sector through diversity and other initiatives. He is an ex-OpenBSD developer who used to do a lot of work on ports but now advocates for a BSD-agnostic approach. From george at ceetonetechnology.com Wed Jul 6 14:23:01 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 14:23:01 -0400 Subject: [talk] NYC*BUG Tonight: RetroBSD & LiteBSD Message-ID: <6acc73e1-537b-61fa-ae3e-9061a1cb0915@ceetonetechnology.com> July 6 Meet the Smallest BSDs: RetroBSD and LiteBSD, Brian Callahan 18:45, Stone Creek Bar & Lounge: 140 E 27th St Abstract We all expect *BSD to run on our personal computers and servers. What you may not know is that the last five years have seen a successful experiment to bring *BSD to the PIC32 microcontrollers. There are now two different full *BSD operating systems for these microcontrollers: RetroBSD, a port of 2.11BSD, and LiteBSD, based on 4.4BSD-Lite2. This talk introduces the two smallest BSDs, the differences between them, what hardware you need (with hands-on demos), and how to get involved. We'll overview what works, what doesn't, the challenges of writing a complete operating system with extremely small RAM limits in the modern era, and how to incorporate *BSD on the microcontroller into your *BSD universe. Speaker Bio Brian is a Ph.D. candidate in the Department of Science and Technology Studies at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. His research explores how underserved groups vie for legitimacy and normalcy in the IT sector through diversity and other initiatives. He is an ex-OpenBSD developer who used to do a lot of work on ports but now advocates for a BSD-agnostic approach. From pvarga at pvrg.net Thu Jul 7 14:08:06 2016 From: pvarga at pvrg.net (Peter Varga) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 14:08:06 -0400 Subject: [talk] NYC*BUG Tonight: RetroBSD & LiteBSD In-Reply-To: <6acc73e1-537b-61fa-ae3e-9061a1cb0915@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <6acc73e1-537b-61fa-ae3e-9061a1cb0915@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <1467914886.722074.659802361.6612475A@webmail.messagingengine.com> What can be done with such a small memory? Apollo 11 source code. https://github.com/chrislgarry/Apollo-11 and the hacker news discussion https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12048945 On Wed, Jul 6, 2016, at 02:23 PM, George Rosamond wrote: > July 6 > Meet the Smallest BSDs: RetroBSD and LiteBSD, Brian Callahan > 18:45, Stone Creek Bar & Lounge: 140 E 27th St > > Abstract > > We all expect *BSD to run on our personal computers and servers. What > you may not know is that the last five years have seen a successful > experiment to bring *BSD to the PIC32 microcontrollers. There are now > two different full *BSD operating systems for these microcontrollers: > RetroBSD, a port of 2.11BSD, and LiteBSD, based on 4.4BSD-Lite2. > > This talk introduces the two smallest BSDs, the differences between > them, what hardware you need (with hands-on demos), and how to get > involved. We'll overview what works, what doesn't, the challenges of > writing a complete operating system with extremely small RAM limits in > the modern era, and how to incorporate *BSD on the microcontroller into > your *BSD universe. > > Speaker Bio > > Brian is a Ph.D. candidate in the Department of Science and Technology > Studies at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. His research explores how > underserved groups vie for legitimacy and normalcy in the IT sector > through diversity and other initiatives. He is an ex-OpenBSD developer > who used to do a lot of work on ports but now advocates for a > BSD-agnostic approach. > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From george at ceetonetechnology.com Thu Jul 7 14:19:29 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 14:19:29 -0400 Subject: [talk] NYC*BUG Tonight: RetroBSD & LiteBSD In-Reply-To: <1467914886.722074.659802361.6612475A@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <6acc73e1-537b-61fa-ae3e-9061a1cb0915@ceetonetechnology.com> <1467914886.722074.659802361.6612475A@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: On 07/07/16 14:08, Peter Varga wrote: > What can be done with such a small memory? > Apollo 11 source code. > https://github.com/chrislgarry/Apollo-11 > and the hacker news discussion > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12048945 Yes, 152Kb of onboard computer memory to land on the moon. With today's specs, we should be doing that in another solar system, if you went purely by that measure. Once I get a LiteBSD-compat board, I will definitely start doing some porting. We should start a brain dump here for various applications: tcping hiawatha www server microhttpd . . . The more utility in a system, the more likely you get users. Vague IoT/industrial functions don't excite most users since they can't touch it. g From raulcuza at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 14:25:55 2016 From: raulcuza at gmail.com (Raul Cuza) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 14:25:55 -0400 Subject: [talk] NYC*BUG Tonight: RetroBSD & LiteBSD In-Reply-To: <1467914886.722074.659802361.6612475A@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <6acc73e1-537b-61fa-ae3e-9061a1cb0915@ceetonetechnology.com> <1467914886.722074.659802361.6612475A@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 2:08 PM, Peter Varga wrote: > What can be done with such a small memory? > Apollo 11 source code. > https://github.com/chrislgarry/Apollo-11 > and the hacker news discussion > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12048945 > > On Wed, Jul 6, 2016, at 02:23 PM, George Rosamond wrote: >> July 6 >> Meet the Smallest BSDs: RetroBSD and LiteBSD, Brian Callahan >> 18:45, Stone Creek Bar & Lounge: 140 E 27th St >> >> Abstract >> >> We all expect *BSD to run on our personal computers and servers. What >> you may not know is that the last five years have seen a successful >> experiment to bring *BSD to the PIC32 microcontrollers. There are now >> two different full *BSD operating systems for these microcontrollers: >> RetroBSD, a port of 2.11BSD, and LiteBSD, based on 4.4BSD-Lite2. >> >> This talk introduces the two smallest BSDs, the differences between >> them, what hardware you need (with hands-on demos), and how to get >> involved. We'll overview what works, what doesn't, the challenges of >> writing a complete operating system with extremely small RAM limits in >> the modern era, and how to incorporate *BSD on the microcontroller into >> your *BSD universe. >> >> Speaker Bio >> >> Brian is a Ph.D. candidate in the Department of Science and Technology >> Studies at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. His research explores how >> underserved groups vie for legitimacy and normalcy in the IT sector >> through diversity and other initiatives. He is an ex-OpenBSD developer >> who used to do a lot of work on ports but now advocates for a >> BSD-agnostic approach. >> I'm sorry I missed the talk. Was it recorded? As for the source code, the issue reports may rival the joke product reviews on the longest river in the world dot com. Only time will tell. ra?l From raulcuza at gmail.com Fri Jul 8 09:10:12 2016 From: raulcuza at gmail.com (Raul Cuza) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 09:10:12 -0400 Subject: [talk] HOPE Volunteers Message-ID: Hola, Do you still need volunteers for HOPE? I need to know what days so I can make family arrangements. Ra?l From george at ceetonetechnology.com Fri Jul 8 09:12:21 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 09:12:21 -0400 Subject: [talk] HOPE Volunteers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5543c9f6-5670-7361-12d2-d762805481bb@ceetonetechnology.com> On 07/08/16 09:10, Raul Cuza wrote: > Hola, > > Do you still need volunteers for HOPE? I need to know what days so I > can make family arrangements. Yes... I think we need a few more. I think Friday is mostly covered, and Saturday is probably best, and also the most important day. g From george at ceetonetechnology.com Mon Jul 11 15:04:38 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 15:04:38 -0400 Subject: [talk] Installfest, Spread the word at HOPE! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 06/20/16 12:50, George Rosamond wrote: > On 06/20/16 12:47, Ra?l Cuza wrote: >> >> >>> On Jun 20, 2016, at 08:58, Isaac (.ike) Levy >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> HOPE is coming up next month, and this is *the* opportunity to get >>> the word out about the NYC*BUG InstallFest, to a new audience! >>> >>> In years past, hacking/info-sec scene was had the *BSD family at >>> the core. A new generation coming up has not been exposed to the >>> BSD's in the same way, and anyone from around NYC*BUG can and >>> should play a role in taking the BSD's to a new audience! >>> >>> A few pertinent details: >>> >>> - https://hope.net/ July 22-24, Hotel Pennsylvania >>> >>> - The flyer attached, we need folks to print and help distribute! >>> >>> - The FreeBSD Foundation will have a table this year (!), I believe >>> GNN is running it. (They may want some volunteers to help man the >>> table? Email admin@ to get plugged into it...) >>> >>> Best, .ike >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> <20160803-installfest.pdf> >>> _______________________________________________ talk mailing list >>> talk at lists.nycbug.org >>> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >> >> Is the back room 21 and over? (That doesn't read the way I mean it.) >> I know some high schoolers who might be interested in the install >> fest but want to make sure they can get in before spreading the word >> their way. > > I don't believe it's for 21 and over only... but valid point and > something we need to confirm. > Apparently, if accompanied by a legal guardian, anyone can come into the place. g From george at ceetonetechnology.com Mon Jul 11 15:17:25 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 15:17:25 -0400 Subject: [talk] HOPE tabling volunteers for FreeBSD Foundation Message-ID: Just a quick reminder about HOPE (.net) staffing for the FreeBSD Foundation table July 22-24. First, yes, buy your ticket. Second, there are no prerequisites. If you can have a conversation about the BSDs, you can/should help staff the table. Third, additional volunteers would be ideal. Fourth, just because you're helping at the table, doesn't mean you won't be able to attend sessions. Please email admin (@lists.nycbug.org) to help schedule. What are you going to be doing if you volunteer? * Talking to HOPE attendees about FreeBSD, help to distribute some swag, maybe solicit donations for the fund drive. * Publicize the upcoming NYC*BUG's August 3rd InstallFest. The flier is attached in PDF. If possible, make some copies to bring along. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 20160803-installfest.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 37253 bytes Desc: not available URL: From george at ceetonetechnology.com Tue Jul 12 21:34:09 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 21:34:09 -0400 Subject: [talk] esoteric hardware dmesgs Message-ID: <72e5e4d3-7023-86c4-a2bd-73106614d7dc@ceetonetechnology.com> Jun Ebihara uploaded a bunch of NetBSD (and one OpenBSD) dmesgs on http://dmesgd.nycbug.org/, currently the last ten or so entries. Well, the Raspberry Pis aren't *that* interesting. Well worth perusing.... g From kmsujit at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 03:26:52 2016 From: kmsujit at gmail.com (Sujit K M) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 12:56:52 +0530 Subject: [talk] esoteric hardware dmesgs In-Reply-To: <72e5e4d3-7023-86c4-a2bd-73106614d7dc@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <72e5e4d3-7023-86c4-a2bd-73106614d7dc@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 7:04 AM, George Rosamond wrote: > Jun Ebihara uploaded a bunch of NetBSD (and one OpenBSD) dmesgs on > http://dmesgd.nycbug.org/, currently the last ten or so entries. Well, > the Raspberry Pis aren't *that* interesting. > > Well worth perusing.... I see some are broken systems. Since I see these are ARM Systems, Hardware Documentation will be minimal. If Jun could tell what is the status of each of these systems dmesgs it would be helpful, or could tell what the System 'aka documentation of ARM Hardware, for example an catalog at a site to purchase would have a basic detail regarding what is hardware content' is like one could figure out what is wrong with dmesgs. From zippy1981 at gmail.com Thu Jul 14 06:27:02 2016 From: zippy1981 at gmail.com (Justin Dearing) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 06:27:02 -0400 Subject: [talk] Sata hard drives and ram for the taking Message-ID: Hello all, I work 38th and Madison. Not in the office today. I have a 320GB and 50GN spinning rust drive. I also have a 8gig DDR3 stick and a stick that is the same form factor that says 64 mb, but I'm pretty sure is 2 gig that I bough to upgrade a netbook but never did. Contact me off list if interested. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george at ceetonetechnology.com Fri Jul 15 11:10:04 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:10:04 -0400 Subject: [talk] NetBSD on IBM Workpad z50 Message-ID: I picked up a few IBM Workpad z50s circa 1999. The have a MIPS chip and by default run Windows CE. They look like a slightly smaller version of the older X-series Thinkpads, like the X41. Sevan has NetBSD running on one: http://dmesgd.nycbug.org/index.cgi?do=view&id=2991 They are interesting little laptops. The base holds two AAA batteries to save settings, plus they have extended batteries. Most interesting, they have battery packs that take AA batteries. Rumor has it one could get 16 hours on the batteries. They can take up to 48M of RAM, but come with 16M by default. There is no USB or ethernet. You need PCMCIA type I and II for ethernet, wireless, etc. Unfortunately, I threw out all my old PCMCIA cards a few years back. There is no hard disk, just WindowsCE in firmware, but there is CF card storage. Fun, interesting little devices, and when I have the time, I should have them up and running with NetBSD for the installfest. Until a recent snapshot, hibernation was working fine also. g From george at ceetonetechnology.com Fri Jul 15 11:19:08 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:19:08 -0400 Subject: [talk] NetBSD on IBM Workpad z50 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 07/15/16 11:18, John C. Vernaleo wrote: >> They can take up to 48M of RAM, but come with 16M by default. There is >> no USB or ethernet. You need PCMCIA type I and II for ethernet, >> wireless, etc. Unfortunately, I threw out all my old PCMCIA cards a few >> years back. >> > > I'm about 90% sure I still have a few PCMCIA wireless cards (and > possibly an ethernet one too but not as sure about that). If I can find > them I'll bring them in and you're weclome to them. Cool. Appreciated. If we lived in a different city, we wouldn't have to throw out anything, ever. :) g From george at ceetonetechnology.com Sat Jul 16 11:28:10 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 11:28:10 -0400 Subject: [talk] new OpenBSD mirror Message-ID: <67cba0b6-899c-0ea0-538c-bbb09f9ecbcc@ceetonetechnology.com> We are now hosting an official 2nd level OpenBSD mirror in the NYI cabinet: anoncvs4.usa.openbsd.org, or ftp4.usa.openbsd.org It's updated hourly, and listed on http://www.openbsd.org/anoncvs.html The mirrors.nycbug.org OpenBSD mirror directory will go away at some point. g From pete at nomadlogic.org Sat Jul 16 12:32:37 2016 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 09:32:37 -0700 Subject: [talk] new OpenBSD mirror In-Reply-To: <67cba0b6-899c-0ea0-538c-bbb09f9ecbcc@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <67cba0b6-899c-0ea0-538c-bbb09f9ecbcc@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <591ab7a4-fbca-b905-169a-7745b74b0f1d@nomadlogic.org> On 07/16/16 08:28 AM, George Rosamond wrote: > We are now hosting an official 2nd level OpenBSD mirror in the NYI cabinet: > > anoncvs4.usa.openbsd.org, or ftp4.usa.openbsd.org > > It's updated hourly, and listed on http://www.openbsd.org/anoncvs.html > > The mirrors.nycbug.org OpenBSD mirror directory will go away at some point. that's great stuff! -pete From scottro at nyc.rr.com Sat Jul 16 14:11:52 2016 From: scottro at nyc.rr.com (Scott Robbins) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 14:11:52 -0400 Subject: [talk] new OpenBSD mirror In-Reply-To: <591ab7a4-fbca-b905-169a-7745b74b0f1d@nomadlogic.org> References: <67cba0b6-899c-0ea0-538c-bbb09f9ecbcc@ceetonetechnology.com> <591ab7a4-fbca-b905-169a-7745b74b0f1d@nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <20160716181152.GA26496@scott1.scottro.net> On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 09:32:37AM -0700, Pete Wright wrote: > On 07/16/16 08:28 AM, George Rosamond wrote: > >We are now hosting an official 2nd level OpenBSD mirror in the NYI cabinet: > > > >anoncvs4.usa.openbsd.org, or ftp4.usa.openbsd.org > > > >It's updated hourly, and listed on http://www.openbsd.org/anoncvs.html > > > >The mirrors.nycbug.org OpenBSD mirror directory will go away at some point. > > that's great stuff! Agreed. Thanks to all who got this going. -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 From george at ceetonetechnology.com Wed Jul 20 18:30:05 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 18:30:05 -0400 Subject: [talk] Fwd: ARM64 Desktop In-Reply-To: <86C3A4AA-2BA8-4C25-9E86-DBC16CF09142@hardenedbsd.org> References: <86C3A4AA-2BA8-4C25-9E86-DBC16CF09142@hardenedbsd.org> Message-ID: Shawn Webb posted this to freebsd-arm at . Anyone know how the current FreeBSD aarch64 code would run on it? g -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: ARM64 Desktop Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 17:13:57 -0400 Hey All, If I were to buy the below-linked desktop, what kinds of things would I be looking at to implement support for it? Alternatively, since it supports UEFI booting, would any work be needed to support it? Link to desktop: https://shop.softiron.co.uk/product/overdrive-1000/ Thanks, Shawn Webb Cofounder and Security Engineer HardenedBSD GPG Key ID: 0x6A84658F52456EEE GPG Key Fingerprint: 2ABA B6BD EF6A F486 BE89 3D9E 6A84 658F 5245 6EEE From kmsujit at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 03:23:40 2016 From: kmsujit at gmail.com (Sujit K M) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 12:53:40 +0530 Subject: [talk] Fwd: ARM64 Desktop In-Reply-To: References: <86C3A4AA-2BA8-4C25-9E86-DBC16CF09142@hardenedbsd.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 4:00 AM, George Rosamond wrote: > Shawn Webb posted this to freebsd-arm at . > > Anyone know how the current FreeBSD aarch64 code would run on it? > > g The page below gives details of issues/commits/work along with PR's Raised. I guess this is supported only in FreeBSD-CURRENT. > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: ARM64 Desktop > Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 17:13:57 -0400 > > > Hey All, > > If I were to buy the below-linked desktop, what kinds of things would I > be looking at to implement support for it? Alternatively, since it > supports UEFI booting, would any work be needed to support it? > > Link to desktop: https://shop.softiron.co.uk/product/overdrive-1000/ > > > Thanks, > > Shawn Webb > Cofounder and Security Engineer > HardenedBSD > > GPG Key ID: 0x6A84658F52456EEE > GPG Key Fingerprint: 2ABA B6BD EF6A F486 BE89 3D9E 6A84 658F 5245 6EEE > > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From kmsujit at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 03:24:14 2016 From: kmsujit at gmail.com (Sujit K M) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 12:54:14 +0530 Subject: [talk] Fwd: ARM64 Desktop In-Reply-To: References: <86C3A4AA-2BA8-4C25-9E86-DBC16CF09142@hardenedbsd.org> Message-ID: Sorry Got send a little earlier. Below Link. On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Sujit K M wrote: > On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 4:00 AM, George Rosamond > wrote: >> Shawn Webb posted this to freebsd-arm at . >> >> Anyone know how the current FreeBSD aarch64 code would run on it? >> >> g > > The page below gives details of issues/commits/work along with PR's Raised. > I guess this is supported only in FreeBSD-CURRENT. > https://wiki.freebsd.org/arm64 > > >> >> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >> Subject: ARM64 Desktop >> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 17:13:57 -0400 >> >> >> Hey All, >> >> If I were to buy the below-linked desktop, what kinds of things would I >> be looking at to implement support for it? Alternatively, since it >> supports UEFI booting, would any work be needed to support it? >> >> Link to desktop: https://shop.softiron.co.uk/product/overdrive-1000/ >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Shawn Webb >> Cofounder and Security Engineer >> HardenedBSD >> >> GPG Key ID: 0x6A84658F52456EEE >> GPG Key Fingerprint: 2ABA B6BD EF6A F486 BE89 3D9E 6A84 658F 5245 6EEE >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> talk mailing list >> talk at lists.nycbug.org >> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From george at ceetonetechnology.com Thu Jul 21 17:26:55 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 17:26:55 -0400 Subject: [talk] HOPE, reminder Message-ID: Tomorrow HOPE (.net) starts at the Hotel Pennsylvania. No advance tickets are available, but they start selling them early in the AM.. If you get a ticket and aren't going to be there all days, I recommend passing it off to someone else... maybe via talk at . The FreeBSD Foundation will have a table, and any assistance is appreciated. g From fire at firecrow.com Tue Jul 26 00:45:35 2016 From: fire at firecrow.com (fire crow) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 00:45:35 -0400 Subject: [talk] poin2 rockchip arm chromeboom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all, super excited for the installfest aug 3rd, i got a poin2 (poin2.com) chromebook, rockchip arm, looking forward to puting netbsd on it, i have a netbsd laptop i can cross compile from, but as im not super familiar with builing the install media, any help will be much appriciated. I confirmed with the manufacturer that both the sd card and the usb ports can be unlocked to make them bootable, so im going to bring two sd cards and we can install two more operating systems on them if we have time. ~fire -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Use the talk@ list if you have any questions beforehand. ***** August 3 - BSD Installfest 18:45, Stone Creek Bar & Lounge: 140 E 27th St Abstract NYC*BUG InstallFests are mixed-up, sloppy opportunities to get hands-on and dirty with an array of hardware. >From Raspberry Pis and BeagleBones to common 64-bit laptops, lots of hardware and a rat's nest of cables will saturate the room, along with install media for FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD and beyond. This is a great chance to test out the BSD of your choice for the first or 54th time, in collaboration with other BSD users and developers. Bring in that laptop, maybe with a second hard disk, or one of the newer supported ARM embedded boards. As in the past, we'll utilize the digital projector to those doing short presentations or for those who want to display their progress. Feel free to have a short overview of your install to present if you're interested. No need to RSVP, but email talk@ if you have any preliminary questions about hardware support, specific hardware needs, etc. ***** And in September: 2016-09-07 - Teaching FreeBSD, George Neville-Neil 18:45, Stone Creek Bar & Lounge: 140 E 27th St From viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 12:11:39 2016 From: viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com (Robert Menes) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 12:11:39 -0400 Subject: [talk] PPC media request for installfest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey guys, Can anyone bring some BSD discs for PPC? I'm bringing an iBook along for the installfest. --Robert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nycbug-talk at reynolds.users.panix.com Thu Jul 28 00:35:25 2016 From: nycbug-talk at reynolds.users.panix.com (Brian Reynolds) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 00:35:25 -0400 Subject: [talk] FreeBSD U-Boot uEnv.txt examples Message-ID: <20160728043524.GA17418@panix.com> In preparation for the installfest I'm experimenting with different set ups for FreeBSD on Raspberry Pi. I'm looking for examples of the uEnv.txt file, or documentation for using it with FreeBSD. In particular I want to boot the Raspberry Pi from an external USB drive. I've installed the u-boot-rpi and uboot-mkimage packages from the FreeBSD amd64 package repository hoping to find FreeBSD specific documentation included, but there wasn't any in those packages. If you've gotten a Raspberry Pi to boot FreeBSD from an external USB hard drive (using the SD card only to hold the U-Boot files in the FAT partition), I'd like to see your configuration files. ubldr (FreeBSD loader(8) built as a U-Boot application) documentation and configuration examples would also be welcome. -- Brian Reynolds | "It's just like flying a spaceship. reynolds at panix.com | You push some buttons and see https://www.panix.com/~reynolds/ | what happens." -- Zapp Brannigan NAR# 54438 | From george at ceetonetechnology.com Fri Jul 29 14:41:20 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 14:41:20 -0400 Subject: [talk] Fwd: [announce] [HEADSUP] OpenBSD Mirror Retired In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Our mirror's OpenBSD mirror is going away, replaced by ftp4.usa.openbsd.org. Note it's ftp4.usa, not ftp4.us. g -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: [announce] [HEADSUP] OpenBSD Mirror Retired Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 14:39:17 -0400 From: NYC*BUG Announcements All The NYCBUG OpenBSD mirror section has been retired. We are now co-locating ftp4.us.openbsd.org and it was time to take mirrors.nycbug.org/pub/OpenBSD off line. For now we are redirecting all HTTP requests to ftp4.us.OpenBSD.org . 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When I do internet search, I come up with these titles by people I've actually met at NYCBUG or NYC conferences: Michael Lucas, Absolute FreeBSD, 2nd ed, 2007. Dru Lavigne, The Best of FreeBSD Basics, 2007. 2007 -- nine years ago. Are these books sufficiently up-to-date for an autodidact? Thank you very much. Jim Keenan From george at ceetonetechnology.com Sat Jul 30 21:21:46 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 21:21:46 -0400 Subject: [talk] Recency of FreeBSD books In-Reply-To: <98c261e1-71d4-f473-4623-70556c9f6d5f@verizon.net> References: <98c261e1-71d4-f473-4623-70556c9f6d5f@verizon.net> Message-ID: <532fb97b-c6b8-835e-5dce-582f89de4920@ceetonetechnology.com> James E Keenan: > Inspired by the Installfest this coming Wed (Aug 3), I am in the process > of trying to install FreeBSD 10.3 in a VirtualBox VM running on my > Ubuntu Linux 14.04 x86_64 machine. The instructions at > https://www.freebsdfoundation.org/freebsd/how-to-guides/installing-freebsd-with-virtualbox/ > have so far been easy to follow. Cool. > > Once I have that installed, then I have to start to learn FreeBSD. When > I do internet search, I come up with these titles by people I've > actually met at NYCBUG or NYC conferences: > > Michael Lucas, Absolute FreeBSD, 2nd ed, 2007. > > Dru Lavigne, The Best of FreeBSD Basics, 2007. > > 2007 -- nine years ago. Are these books sufficiently up-to-date for an > autodidact? > I think I recognize those names too :) It really depends on the type of guides you're looking for. I think with the BSDs, FreeBSD in particular, keeping a current book for the general public is a worthwhile gateway drug. Did I hear rumors of Absolute FreeBSD being revised? I still wish Dru's BSD Hacks would be revised. It was a fun book concept, and I think it worked well. It probably makes sense, for your purposes James, to look for specific areas you want to understand better. It might make sense to do a walk-through install of FreeBSD 10 or 11 on Wednesday on the display. g