From viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com  Tue Nov  1 13:13:13 2016
From: viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com (Robert Menes)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 13:13:13 -0400
Subject: [talk] OpenBSD on iBook G4
Message-ID: <CA+TaHT3z6CkTU4_XFUo_JJjevBNkbkFHFSEcDA0rEAX5oZOTSw@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all,

I successfully installed OpenBSD 6.0 on my iBook G4. I'm packing it along
for tomorrow.

If possible, I'd like to get a little assistance with a couple of little
projects I want to do with
it, namely switching the desktop environment for something nicer like Xfce
and getting Wifi
completely working (I installed the necessary firmware packages but can't
seem to get
ifconfig to see any ESSIDs).

Several tutorials I have read about configuring an alternate desktop
environment are
for older OpenBSD versions, so I don't know if they're still relevant now.
I have
tried one in a VM that mentions using SLiM, but whether it's my own goofing
up when
configuring SLiM as the window manager or not, I can't get X rendering
using it.

I'm little by little getting better at this, but I figured brain picking
always helps out. :)
See everyone tomorrow!

--Robert

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From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Tue Nov  1 13:36:55 2016
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 13:36:55 -0400
Subject: [talk] OpenBSD on iBook G4
In-Reply-To: <CA+TaHT3z6CkTU4_XFUo_JJjevBNkbkFHFSEcDA0rEAX5oZOTSw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+TaHT3z6CkTU4_XFUo_JJjevBNkbkFHFSEcDA0rEAX5oZOTSw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a24efaec-1c24-b475-44a1-4b75450495d0@ceetonetechnology.com>

On 11/01/16 13:13, Robert Menes wrote:
> Hey all,
> 
> I successfully installed OpenBSD 6.0 on my iBook G4. I'm packing it along
> for tomorrow.
> 
> If possible, I'd like to get a little assistance with a couple of little
> projects I want to do with
> it, namely switching the desktop environment for something nicer like Xfce
> and getting Wifi
> completely working (I installed the necessary firmware packages but can't
> seem to get
> ifconfig to see any ESSIDs).
> 
> Several tutorials I have read about configuring an alternate desktop
> environment are
> for older OpenBSD versions, so I don't know if they're still relevant now.
> I have
> tried one in a VM that mentions using SLiM, but whether it's my own goofing
> up when
> configuring SLiM as the window manager or not, I can't get X rendering
> using it.
> 
> I'm little by little getting better at this, but I figured brain picking
> always helps out. :)
> See everyone tomorrow!


We should probably plan on another installfest in January... I have an
old G4 iBook around too.

And BCallah can bring down that old PPC iMac for me too :)

g



From viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com  Tue Nov  1 13:51:56 2016
From: viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com (Robert Menes)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 13:51:56 -0400
Subject: [talk] OpenBSD on iBook G4
In-Reply-To: <20161101174521.GA12331@scott1.scottro.net>
References: <CA+TaHT3z6CkTU4_XFUo_JJjevBNkbkFHFSEcDA0rEAX5oZOTSw@mail.gmail.com>
 <20161101174521.GA12331@scott1.scottro.net>
Message-ID: <CA+TaHT2LA8gVD=m-0FMNZLVKn4nP_iFXepjBS6BAZMkOfPELow@mail.gmail.com>

The AirPort card device is bwi0 in OpenBSD. I already did a fw_update with
the drivers.

I'm just puzzled as well with ifconfig telling me that 'dhcp' is not a
valid option.

--Robert

On Nov 1, 2016 1:45 PM, "Scott Robbins" <scottro at nyc.rr.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 01, 2016 at 01:13:13PM -0400, Robert Menes wrote:
> > Hey all,
> >
> > I successfully installed OpenBSD 6.0 on my iBook G4. I'm packing it along
> > for tomorrow.
> >
> > If possible, I'd like to get a little assistance with a couple of little
> > projects I want to do with
> > it, namely switching the desktop environment for something nicer like
> Xfce
> > and getting Wifi
> > completely working (I installed the necessary firmware packages but can't
> > seem to get
> > ifconfig to see any ESSIDs).
>
> One thing that I've found, at least with the iwn drivers is that they don't
> work with a hidden WPA2 network.  (Someone on daemonforums had a similar
> experience).  Not knowing your situation, I don't know if that's relevant.
>
>
> --
> Scott Robbins
> PGP keyID EB3467D6
> ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 )
> gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6
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From fire at firecrow.com  Tue Nov  1 13:55:52 2016
From: fire at firecrow.com (firecrow silvernight)
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2016 13:55:52 -0400
Subject: [talk] OpenBSD on iBook G4
In-Reply-To: <CA+TaHT2LA8gVD=m-0FMNZLVKn4nP_iFXepjBS6BAZMkOfPELow@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+TaHT3z6CkTU4_XFUo_JJjevBNkbkFHFSEcDA0rEAX5oZOTSw@mail.gmail.com>
 <20161101174521.GA12331@scott1.scottro.net>
 <CA+TaHT2LA8gVD=m-0FMNZLVKn4nP_iFXepjBS6BAZMkOfPELow@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1478022952.3837682.774078633.0388C046@webmail.messagingengine.com>

On Tue, Nov 1, 2016, at 13:51, Robert Menes wrote:
> The AirPort card device is bwi0 in OpenBSD. I already did a fw_update
> with the drivers.
> I'm just puzzled as well with ifconfig telling me that 'dhcp' is not a
> valid option.
> --Robert

I've had some luck with manually running wpa_supplicant (with -i
<interface name>) and then calling dhcpcd <interface name> manually, it
was from netBSD but there is a good chance open has similar commands.

my config is on my computer at home, can send more details when i
have it handy.

~fire

--
  firecrow silvernight
  fire at firecrow.com

>
> On Nov 1, 2016 1:45 PM, "Scott Robbins" <scottro at nyc.rr.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 01, 2016 at 01:13:13PM -0400, Robert Menes wrote:
>>  > Hey all,
>>  >
>>  > I successfully installed OpenBSD 6.0 on my iBook G4. I'm packing
>>  > it along
>>  > for tomorrow.
>>  >
>>  > If possible, I'd like to get a little assistance with a couple of
>>  > little
>>  > projects I want to do with
>>  > it, namely switching the desktop environment for something nicer
>>  > like Xfce
>>  > and getting Wifi
>>  > completely working (I installed the necessary firmware packages
>>  > but can't
>>  > seem to get
>>  > ifconfig to see any ESSIDs).
>>
>>  One thing that I've found, at least with the iwn drivers is that
>>  they don't
>>  work with a hidden WPA2 network.  (Someone on daemonforums had a
>>  similar
>>  experience).  Not knowing your situation, I don't know if that's
>>  relevant.
>>
>>
>>  --
>>  Scott Robbins
>>  PGP keyID EB3467D6
>>  ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 )
>>  gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6
>>
> _________________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
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From scottro at nyc.rr.com  Tue Nov  1 13:45:22 2016
From: scottro at nyc.rr.com (Scott Robbins)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 13:45:22 -0400
Subject: [talk] OpenBSD on iBook G4
In-Reply-To: <CA+TaHT3z6CkTU4_XFUo_JJjevBNkbkFHFSEcDA0rEAX5oZOTSw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+TaHT3z6CkTU4_XFUo_JJjevBNkbkFHFSEcDA0rEAX5oZOTSw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20161101174521.GA12331@scott1.scottro.net>

On Tue, Nov 01, 2016 at 01:13:13PM -0400, Robert Menes wrote:
> Hey all,
> 
> I successfully installed OpenBSD 6.0 on my iBook G4. I'm packing it along
> for tomorrow.
> 
> If possible, I'd like to get a little assistance with a couple of little
> projects I want to do with
> it, namely switching the desktop environment for something nicer like Xfce
> and getting Wifi
> completely working (I installed the necessary firmware packages but can't
> seem to get
> ifconfig to see any ESSIDs).

One thing that I've found, at least with the iwn drivers is that they don't
work with a hidden WPA2 network.  (Someone on daemonforums had a similar
experience).  Not knowing your situation, I don't know if that's relevant.


-- 
Scott Robbins
PGP keyID EB3467D6
( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 )
gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6



From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Tue Nov  1 14:53:08 2016
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 14:53:08 -0400
Subject: [talk] OpenBSD on iBook G4
In-Reply-To: <20161101174521.GA12331@scott1.scottro.net>
References: <CA+TaHT3z6CkTU4_XFUo_JJjevBNkbkFHFSEcDA0rEAX5oZOTSw@mail.gmail.com>
 <20161101174521.GA12331@scott1.scottro.net>
Message-ID: <7368057f-1351-a31a-449d-69a74fe5d740@ceetonetechnology.com>

On 11/01/16 13:45, Scott Robbins wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 01, 2016 at 01:13:13PM -0400, Robert Menes wrote:
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I successfully installed OpenBSD 6.0 on my iBook G4. I'm packing it along
>> for tomorrow.
>>
>> If possible, I'd like to get a little assistance with a couple of little
>> projects I want to do with
>> it, namely switching the desktop environment for something nicer like Xfce
>> and getting Wifi
>> completely working (I installed the necessary firmware packages but can't
>> seem to get
>> ifconfig to see any ESSIDs).
> 
> One thing that I've found, at least with the iwn drivers is that they don't
> work with a hidden WPA2 network.  (Someone on daemonforums had a similar
> experience).  Not knowing your situation, I don't know if that's relevant.

IIRC, hidden networks are not part of the 802.11 standards...

g



From arielsanchezmora at gmail.com  Tue Nov  1 15:34:27 2016
From: arielsanchezmora at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ariel_S=C3=A1nchez?=)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 15:34:27 -0400
Subject: [talk] OpenBSD on iBook G4
In-Reply-To: <7368057f-1351-a31a-449d-69a74fe5d740@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <CA+TaHT3z6CkTU4_XFUo_JJjevBNkbkFHFSEcDA0rEAX5oZOTSw@mail.gmail.com>
 <20161101174521.GA12331@scott1.scottro.net>
 <7368057f-1351-a31a-449d-69a74fe5d740@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <CADN2GVtEGnDzMBqYw5578=GxL4nJdOW-wkDs-VaL-xw+Cyoi=Q@mail.gmail.com>

I remember seeing this video for OpenBSD 6 and XFCE. Really like his
channel - mind you, this is all in a VM, so barring hardware issues it
should help you.

How-to Install OpenBSD 6.0 plus XFCE desktop and basic applications

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oC5D9fenQBs

Ariel Sanchez Mora

"The best way out is always through."*?Robert Frost*

On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 2:53 PM, George Rosamond <
george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote:

> On 11/01/16 13:45, Scott Robbins wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 01, 2016 at 01:13:13PM -0400, Robert Menes wrote:
> >> Hey all,
> >>
> >> I successfully installed OpenBSD 6.0 on my iBook G4. I'm packing it
> along
> >> for tomorrow.
> >>
> >> If possible, I'd like to get a little assistance with a couple of little
> >> projects I want to do with
> >> it, namely switching the desktop environment for something nicer like
> Xfce
> >> and getting Wifi
> >> completely working (I installed the necessary firmware packages but
> can't
> >> seem to get
> >> ifconfig to see any ESSIDs).
> >
> > One thing that I've found, at least with the iwn drivers is that they
> don't
> > work with a hidden WPA2 network.  (Someone on daemonforums had a similar
> > experience).  Not knowing your situation, I don't know if that's
> relevant.
>
> IIRC, hidden networks are not part of the 802.11 standards...
>
> g
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
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From viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com  Tue Nov  1 15:54:11 2016
From: viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com (Robert Menes)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 15:54:11 -0400
Subject: [talk] OpenBSD on iBook G4
In-Reply-To: <CADN2GVtEGnDzMBqYw5578=GxL4nJdOW-wkDs-VaL-xw+Cyoi=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+TaHT3z6CkTU4_XFUo_JJjevBNkbkFHFSEcDA0rEAX5oZOTSw@mail.gmail.com>
 <20161101174521.GA12331@scott1.scottro.net>
 <7368057f-1351-a31a-449d-69a74fe5d740@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <CADN2GVtEGnDzMBqYw5578=GxL4nJdOW-wkDs-VaL-xw+Cyoi=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+TaHT3bW=ZghSU7UemSFPxh3jrBrP3WE-fgjDYkeWJ4_ZYvPQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Ariel,

Thanks for that link! I'm going to see how it goes for me tonight!

If you come tomorrow, you can see if it worked for me or not. ;)

--Robert

On Nov 1, 2016 3:34 PM, "Ariel S?nchez" <arielsanchezmora at gmail.com> wrote:

> I remember seeing this video for OpenBSD 6 and XFCE. Really like his
> channel - mind you, this is all in a VM, so barring hardware issues it
> should help you.
>
> How-to Install OpenBSD 6.0 plus XFCE desktop and basic applications
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oC5D9fenQBs
>
> Ariel Sanchez Mora
>
> "The best way out is always through."*?Robert Frost*
>
> On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 2:53 PM, George Rosamond <
> george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote:
>
>> On 11/01/16 13:45, Scott Robbins wrote:
>> > On Tue, Nov 01, 2016 at 01:13:13PM -0400, Robert Menes wrote:
>> >> Hey all,
>> >>
>> >> I successfully installed OpenBSD 6.0 on my iBook G4. I'm packing it
>> along
>> >> for tomorrow.
>> >>
>> >> If possible, I'd like to get a little assistance with a couple of
>> little
>> >> projects I want to do with
>> >> it, namely switching the desktop environment for something nicer like
>> Xfce
>> >> and getting Wifi
>> >> completely working (I installed the necessary firmware packages but
>> can't
>> >> seem to get
>> >> ifconfig to see any ESSIDs).
>> >
>> > One thing that I've found, at least with the iwn drivers is that they
>> don't
>> > work with a hidden WPA2 network.  (Someone on daemonforums had a similar
>> > experience).  Not knowing your situation, I don't know if that's
>> relevant.
>>
>> IIRC, hidden networks are not part of the 802.11 standards...
>>
>> g
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> talk mailing list
>> talk at lists.nycbug.org
>> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From scottro at nyc.rr.com  Tue Nov  1 15:09:35 2016
From: scottro at nyc.rr.com (Scott Robbins)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 15:09:35 -0400
Subject: [talk] OpenBSD on iBook G4
In-Reply-To: <7368057f-1351-a31a-449d-69a74fe5d740@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <CA+TaHT3z6CkTU4_XFUo_JJjevBNkbkFHFSEcDA0rEAX5oZOTSw@mail.gmail.com>
 <20161101174521.GA12331@scott1.scottro.net>
 <7368057f-1351-a31a-449d-69a74fe5d740@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <20161101190935.GA746@scott1.scottro.net>

On Tue, Nov 01, 2016 at 02:53:08PM -0400, George Rosamond wrote:
> On 11/01/16 13:45, Scott Robbins wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 01, 2016 at 01:13:13PM -0400, Robert Menes wrote:
> >> Hey all,
> >>
> >> and getting Wifi
> >> completely working (I installed the necessary firmware packages but can't
> >> seem to get
> >> ifconfig to see any ESSIDs).
> > 
> > One thing that I've found, at least with the iwn drivers is that they don't
> > work with a hidden WPA2 network.  (Someone on daemonforums had a similar
> > experience).  Not knowing your situation, I don't know if that's relevant.
> 
> IIRC, hidden networks are not part of the 802.11 standards...
> 

Which doesn't help when at a non-tech friend's house who has a Linksys
router hiding the network by default and they don't want to touch it. :)


-- 
Scott Robbins
PGP keyID EB3467D6
( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 )
gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6



From fire at firecrow.com  Tue Nov  1 23:30:35 2016
From: fire at firecrow.com (firecrow silvernight)
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2016 23:30:35 -0400
Subject: [talk] OpenBSD on iBook G4
In-Reply-To: <1478022952.3837682.774078633.0388C046@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <CA+TaHT3z6CkTU4_XFUo_JJjevBNkbkFHFSEcDA0rEAX5oZOTSw@mail.gmail.com>
 <20161101174521.GA12331@scott1.scottro.net>
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--
  firecrow silvernight
  fire at firecrow.com



On Tue, Nov 1, 2016, at 13:55, firecrow silvernight wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 1, 2016, at 13:51, Robert Menes wrote:
>> The AirPort card device is bwi0 in OpenBSD. I already did a fw_update
>> with the drivers.
>> I'm just puzzled as well with ifconfig telling me that 'dhcp' is not
>> a valid option.
>> --Robert
>
> I've had some luck with manually running wpa_supplicant (with -i
> <interface name>) and then calling dhcpcd <interface name> manually,
> it was from netBSD but there is a good chance open has similar
> commands.
>
> my config is on my computer at home, can send more details when i have
> it handy.
>
> ~fire

here is what i did on my netBSD laptop

$ wpa_passphrase <network-ssid> <password> >>
/etc/wpa_supplicant_networks.conf

used ifconfig to find the interface name

then this script gets my wifi running

#!/bin/sh
wpa_supplicant -B -i <interface-name> -c
/etc/wpa_supplicant_networks.conf
sleep 8
# sometimes dhclient <interface-name> works as well depends on the setup
dhcpcd <interface-name>
# to print out if it worked or not
host nycbug.org

there is a way to list ssids with wpa_supplicant but i forget the
commands off hand

hope that helps

~fire
fire at firecrow.com

>
> --
>   firecrow silvernight
>   fire at firecrow.com
>
>>
>> On Nov 1, 2016 1:45 PM, "Scott Robbins" <scottro at nyc.rr.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Nov 01, 2016 at 01:13:13PM -0400, Robert Menes wrote:
>>> > Hey all,
>>> >
>>> > I successfully installed OpenBSD 6.0 on my iBook G4. I'm packing
>>> > it along
>>> > for tomorrow.
>>> >
>>> > If possible, I'd like to get a little assistance with a couple of
>>> > little
>>> > projects I want to do with
>>> > it, namely switching the desktop environment for something nicer
>>> > like Xfce
>>> > and getting Wifi
>>> > completely working (I installed the necessary firmware packages
>>> > but can't
>>> > seem to get
>>> > ifconfig to see any ESSIDs).
>>>
>>> One thing that I've found, at least with the iwn drivers is that
>>> they don't
>>> work with a hidden WPA2 network.  (Someone on daemonforums had a
>>> similar
>>> experience).  Not knowing your situation, I don't know if that's
>>> relevant.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Scott Robbins
>>> PGP keyID EB3467D6
>>> ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 )
>>> gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6
>>>
>> _________________________________________________
>> talk mailing list
>> talk at lists.nycbug.org
>> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> _________________________________________________
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From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Wed Nov  2 09:35:26 2016
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 09:35:26 -0400
Subject: [talk] NYC*BUG Tonight: Ike on Infrastructure in a Post-Cloud Era
Message-ID: <51b5bd36-84be-a002-d4fa-0dbc2268d4fc@ceetonetechnology.com>

Wednesday, November 2
Infrastructure in a Post-Cloud Era, Isaac (.ike) Levy
18:45, Woolworth Building: 233 Broadway, 21st Floor
Notice: Location Change

Abstract

With a *BSD-minded perspective, we'll walk through the money and
administrative ends of deploying cloud infrastructure, and compare it to
experiences in colocation.

Building modern internet applications is challenging; so why are so many
technology companies relinquishing control over their technology? The
public clouds, after all, are just computers owned by somebody else.

This presentation contains real data crunched by data scientists, to
help cut through marketing hype. Also covered, strategies and approaches
to help you keep your stack "infrastructure agnostic", as well as
strategies to make cloud metered costs less opaque.

Note: This material was previously presented at LHMK, April 2016 - and
will be presented assuming a technical audience.

Speaker Bio

Standing on the shoulders of giants, ike's background includes
partnering to run a Virtual Server ISP before anyone called it a cloud,
as well as having a long history building internet-facing infrastructure
with UNIX systems.

NYC startup veteran, and a long-time community contributor to the *BSD
UNIX family, ike has grown computing infrastructure from a hand-full of
virtual servers, to full datacenter scale internet-facing infrastructure
for a number of growth stage startups.

.ike has been a part of NYC*BUG since it was first launched in January
2004, was a long-time member of the Lower East Side Mac Unix User Group.
He has spoken frequently on a number of UNIX and internet security
topics at various venues, particularly on the topic of FreeBSD's
jail(8), and his involvement in the OPNsense router firewall project.



From mcevoy.pat at gmail.com  Wed Nov  2 13:35:45 2016
From: mcevoy.pat at gmail.com (Pat McEvoy)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 13:35:45 -0400
Subject: [talk] Tonight
Message-ID: <8336E5FC-48A1-46E9-AF8F-B00F307BF595@gmail.com>

Sorry folks. I have a commitment I can not get out of this evening. I look forward to seeing you all at the next one. 
P

Patrick McEvoy



From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Wed Nov  2 13:38:23 2016
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 13:38:23 -0400
Subject: [talk] Tonight
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On 11/02/16 13:35, Pat McEvoy wrote:
> Sorry folks. I have a commitment I can not get out of this evening. I look forward to seeing you all at the next one. 

Too bad!

I think someone will have to at least do the audio due to the interest
in the presentation.

g



From arielsanchezmora at gmail.com  Wed Nov  2 14:10:32 2016
From: arielsanchezmora at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ariel_S=C3=A1nchez?=)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 14:10:32 -0400
Subject: [talk] Tonight
In-Reply-To: <9817c346-2eec-04da-ff15-76b3ded1b49c@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <8336E5FC-48A1-46E9-AF8F-B00F307BF595@gmail.com>
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I can record with my cel phone, as I have a tripod for it, and a lavalier
mic if Ike agrees. The recording would look and sound like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17P6gzyFeRE&index=2&list=PL2rC-8e38bUUqlIf-gPkoFHgfA-J_XKKh

and Patrick can later add it to the nycbug site?

Ariel Sanchez Mora

"The best way out is always through."*?Robert Frost*

On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 1:38 PM, George Rosamond <
george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote:

> On 11/02/16 13:35, Pat McEvoy wrote:
> > Sorry folks. I have a commitment I can not get out of this evening. I
> look forward to seeing you all at the next one.
>
> Too bad!
>
> I think someone will have to at least do the audio due to the interest
> in the presentation.
>
> g
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
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From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Wed Nov  2 16:15:42 2016
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 16:15:42 -0400
Subject: [talk] post-meeting tonight
Message-ID: <45ca04a3-b383-ef8c-ad93-18c3b5f08108@ceetonetechnology.com>

For those who intend to watch the (midwest version of) baseball, we'll
be hitting the new Suspenders location which is at 108 Greenwich Street
by Rector, on the second floor, after the meeting.

g

PS apologies to those who are fans of one of the two teams... sort of!



From ike at blackskyresearch.net  Wed Nov  2 16:22:55 2016
From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac (.ike) Levy)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 16:22:55 -0400
Subject: [talk] NYC*BUG Tonight: Ike on Infrastructure in a Post-Cloud
 Era
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From ike at blackskyresearch.net  Wed Nov  2 16:24:27 2016
From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac (.ike) Levy)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 16:24:27 -0400
Subject: [talk] post-meeting tonight
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Perfecto!

Best,
.ike


> On Nov 2, 2016, at 4:15 PM, George Rosamond <george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote:
> 
> For those who intend to watch the (midwest version of) baseball, we'll
> be hitting the new Suspenders location which is at 108 Greenwich Street
> by Rector, on the second floor, after the meeting.
> 
> g
> 
> PS apologies to those who are fans of one of the two teams... sort of!
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From mark.saad at ymail.com  Wed Nov  2 16:19:12 2016
From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 20:19:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [talk] Osx  UDP Buffer / Openvpn issue
References: <1571221205.714722.1478117952086.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1571221205.714722.1478117952086@mail.yahoo.com>

All
 I was wondering if anyone on list is using a udp openvpn client on the mac. I am running into an 

issue where sending transfers via scp over the tunnel cause the client to die . I think I am exceeding
some local OSX udp buffer but I am not sure which . Any ideas ?



 -- Mark Saad mark.saad at ymail.com



From jpb at jimby.name  Wed Nov  2 21:06:50 2016
From: jpb at jimby.name (Jim B.)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 21:06:50 -0400
Subject: [talk] NYC*BUG Tonight: Ike on Infrastructure in a Post-Cloud
 Era
In-Reply-To: <297A0787-8BD1-41BC-9E9D-FA1BC4CEE5E6@blackskyresearch.net>
References: <51b5bd36-84be-a002-d4fa-0dbc2268d4fc@ceetonetechnology.com>
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* Isaac (.ike) Levy <ike at blackskyresearch.net> [2016-11-02 16:23]:
>    Hey All,
>    Just a quick shout- since I?m speaking right up against Game 7 of the
>    world series, I move that we adjourn to a Bar close by immediately
>    after the presentation- to watch the game and talk!
>    I believe the (new) Suspenders may be the place to go?  Will deal on
>    site...
>    Best,
>    .ike

Hmmm.... listen to Ike, or watch the World series....  lessee now...

Ike  or WS hmmmmm....


Makes me wish I was in NYC tonight.

:-)
Jim B.



From mark.saad at ymail.com  Thu Nov  3 10:38:43 2016
From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 14:38:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [talk] S3 Work-a-likes
References: <1792713344.486820.1478183923605.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1792713344.486820.1478183923605@mail.yahoo.com>

All
 Last night there was a discussion about s3 work-a-likes. Here are the two that I know of.

1. LeoFS .
    Written in Erlang, and runs well enough on FreeBSD, Solaris, Illumos , Linux and maybe even  Windows. 

Written by rakuten and used in production on a number of things. Including Project-Fifo.net, Rakuten.com
and a number of other systems.

http://leo-project.net/leofs/

2. Minio .
   Written Go , and claims to be supported on many platforms .
Its fairly new but aims to be fully compatable.
https://minio.io
  

Also fun things with LeoFS, it can run inside of a Zone or a Jail.  



 
-- Mark Saad mark.saad at ymail.com



From pete at nomadlogic.org  Thu Nov  3 11:09:26 2016
From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 08:09:26 -0700
Subject: [talk] S3 Work-a-likes
In-Reply-To: <1792713344.486820.1478183923605@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1792713344.486820.1478183923605.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1792713344.486820.1478183923605@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3fc0a7b8-814f-b80f-180c-013e3afd54f4@nomadlogic.org>



On 11/03/2016 07:38, Mark Saad wrote:
> All
>   Last night there was a discussion about s3 work-a-likes. Here are the two that I know of.
>
> 1. LeoFS .
>      Written in Erlang, and runs well enough on FreeBSD, Solaris, Illumos , Linux and maybe even  Windows.
>
> Written by rakuten and used in production on a number of things. Including Project-Fifo.net, Rakuten.com
> and a number of other systems.
>
> http://leo-project.net/leofs/
>
> 2. Minio .
>     Written Go , and claims to be supported on many platforms .
> Its fairly new but aims to be fully compatable.
> https://minio.io
>    

Minio is pretty good - I worked with them for a while (updated their 
wiki as well for FreeBSD support, testing and ran a POC at my old shop).

They are very eager to have more FreeBSD involvement, and ZFS is a 
really good fit for Minio as well.  I would classify it as a system 
capable of supporting small'ish S3 environments and i don't think it has 
support yet for distributed backing datastores.  If you were building a 
huge S3-like system you'd probably want it backed by a clustered 
filesystem so you can scale out storage and IOPS between many nodes in 
your cluster.

Their "mc" S3 client is also pretty awesome - much better than the "aws 
s3" tools IMHO for interacting with S3.

Hope this helps,
-pete



From _ at thomaslevine.com  Thu Nov  3 11:27:28 2016
From: _ at thomaslevine.com (Thomas Levine)
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2016 15:27:28 +0000
Subject: [talk] S3 Work-a-likes
In-Reply-To: <3fc0a7b8-814f-b80f-180c-013e3afd54f4@nomadlogic.org>
References: <1792713344.486820.1478183923605.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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 <3fc0a7b8-814f-b80f-180c-013e3afd54f4@nomadlogic.org>
Message-ID: <20161103152730.003CCF29D1@mailuser.nyi.internal>

Pete Wright writes:
> They are very eager to have more FreeBSD involvement, and ZFS is a 
> really good fit for Minio as well.  I would classify it as a system 
> capable of supporting small'ish S3 environments and i don't think it has 
> support yet for distributed backing datastores.  If you were building a 
> huge S3-like system you'd probably want it backed by a clustered 
> filesystem so you can scale out storage and IOPS between many nodes in 
> your cluster.

This reminds me of something I have wondered: Why would someone use
something like S3 for anything less than huge distributed data stores?
That is, where does stuff like S3 work better than ordinary filesystems
with standard transport protocols?



From mark.saad at ymail.com  Thu Nov  3 11:48:28 2016
From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 15:48:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [talk] S3 Work-a-likes
In-Reply-To: <B9A55EB0-5B5D-4B04-96CB-BCBE0F9580CB@me.com>
References: <1792713344.486820.1478183923605.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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> On Thursday, November 3, 2016 10:58 AM, Siobhan Lynch <slynch2112 at me.com> wrote:
> > 
> 
> 
> 
>>  On Nov 3, 2016, at 10:38 AM, Mark Saad <mark.saad at ymail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  All
>>  Last night there was a discussion about s3 work-a-likes. Here are the two 
> that I know of.
>> 
>>  1. LeoFS .
>>     Written in Erlang, and runs well enough on FreeBSD, Solaris, Illumos , 
> Linux and maybe even  Windows. 
>> 
>>  Written by rakuten and used in production on a number of things. Including 
> Project-Fifo.net, Rakuten.com
>>  and a number of other systems.
>> 
>>  http://leo-project.net/leofs/
>> 
>>  2. Minio .
>>    Written Go , and claims to be supported on many platforms .
>>  Its fairly new but aims to be fully compatable.
>>  https://minio.io
>> 
>> 
>>  Also fun things with LeoFS, it can run inside of a Zone or a Jail.  
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> Ceph has radosgw which is a REST gateway to emulate s3. 

> 


Trish
  I want to know why everyone is talking about ceph ? Not that I am in love with LeoFS .
But ceph has lots of issues on not linux. 


> -Trish
> 



From edlinuxguru at gmail.com  Thu Nov  3 12:09:55 2016
From: edlinuxguru at gmail.com (Edward Capriolo)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 12:09:55 -0400
Subject: [talk] S3 Work-a-likes
In-Reply-To: <3fc0a7b8-814f-b80f-180c-013e3afd54f4@nomadlogic.org>
References: <1792713344.486820.1478183923605.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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 <3fc0a7b8-814f-b80f-180c-013e3afd54f4@nomadlogic.org>
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On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 11:09 AM, Pete Wright <pete at nomadlogic.org> wrote:

>
>
> On 11/03/2016 07:38, Mark Saad wrote:
>
>> All
>>   Last night there was a discussion about s3 work-a-likes. Here are the
>> two that I know of.
>>
>> 1. LeoFS .
>>      Written in Erlang, and runs well enough on FreeBSD, Solaris, Illumos
>> , Linux and maybe even  Windows.
>>
>> Written by rakuten and used in production on a number of things.
>> Including Project-Fifo.net, Rakuten.com
>> and a number of other systems.
>>
>> http://leo-project.net/leofs/
>>
>> 2. Minio .
>>     Written Go , and claims to be supported on many platforms .
>> Its fairly new but aims to be fully compatable.
>> https://minio.io
>>
>>
>
> Minio is pretty good - I worked with them for a while (updated their wiki
> as well for FreeBSD support, testing and ran a POC at my old shop).
>
> They are very eager to have more FreeBSD involvement, and ZFS is a really
> good fit for Minio as well.  I would classify it as a system capable of
> supporting small'ish S3 environments and i don't think it has support yet
> for distributed backing datastores.  If you were building a huge S3-like
> system you'd probably want it backed by a clustered filesystem so you can
> scale out storage and IOPS between many nodes in your cluster.
>
> Their "mc" S3 client is also pretty awesome - much better than the "aws
> s3" tools IMHO for interacting with S3.
>
> Hope this helps,
> -pete
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>

When I mentioned S3-work alikes there are a few things to consider. I know
of some commercial ones. The challenge is it is not as simple as just the
object store.

For example:
using s3 you can setup notifications such that when a new object is created
a message is automatically sent to amazon SQS (simple queuing service)
using s3 you can setup notifications such that when a new object is created
a message is automatically sent to amazon kinesis (distributed high
throughput queuing service)
You can use amazon lamda to trigger code to execute on s3 events. So for
example if I am running a thumbnail service i can build that as
s3(raw)->lamba->imagamagik->s3(thumbnail)
When using elastic bean stalk you logs can automatically be written to S3
You can serve content directly from an S3 bucket as a web server
You can use elastic map reduce to query and s3 bucket using HADOOP!

On the administrative side you have amazons death-of-1,000,000 paper cuts
billing. However if you are using mogilefs lets say you likely need to
build your own reporting monitoring. For example if you are attempting to
bill-back sections of the business based on usage you need to create that
flow and process.

>From the standpoint of an software architect  you have to look at the
solution space. s3(raw)->lamba->imagamagik->s3(thumb nail) is a trivial
thing. I have done it without amazon the flow looks like this
Web/Appliation server->NAS->mesage on kafka queue <- Stream processor)
storm listening on kafka queue running code to do thumb-> write output to
other nas location.

People these days are into loose coupling and micro-services. "amazon
lambda" sounds better to most than "eds storm-thumbnail thing". Also
companies are not doing there part. I am sure there are hundreds or
thousands of people/organizations  that have written a scalable thumbnail
engine. But if you google this you get stack-overflow howtos

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11376315/creating-a-thumbnail-from-an-uploaded-image

As much as I dislike some things about amazon they have couple build
technologies that make sense, work at scale, WORK WITH EACH OTHER
SEAMLESSLY, and are available via APIs for common development platforms.
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From pete at nomadlogic.org  Thu Nov  3 12:39:57 2016
From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 09:39:57 -0700
Subject: [talk] S3 Work-a-likes
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On 11/3/16 8:48 AM, Mark Saad wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>> On Thursday, November 3, 2016 10:58 AM, Siobhan Lynch <slynch2112 at me.com> wrote:
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>  On Nov 3, 2016, at 10:38 AM, Mark Saad <mark.saad at ymail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  All
>>>  Last night there was a discussion about s3 work-a-likes. Here are the two
>> that I know of.
>>>
>>>  1. LeoFS .
>>>     Written in Erlang, and runs well enough on FreeBSD, Solaris, Illumos ,
>> Linux and maybe even  Windows.
>>>
>>>  Written by rakuten and used in production on a number of things. Including
>> Project-Fifo.net, Rakuten.com
>>>  and a number of other systems.
>>>
>>>  http://leo-project.net/leofs/
>>>
>>>  2. Minio .
>>>    Written Go , and claims to be supported on many platforms .
>>>  Its fairly new but aims to be fully compatable.
>>>  https://minio.io
>>>
>>>
>>>  Also fun things with LeoFS, it can run inside of a Zone or a Jail.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Ceph has radosgw which is a REST gateway to emulate s3.
>
>>
>
>
> Trish
>   I want to know why everyone is talking about ceph ? Not that I am in love with LeoFS .
> But ceph has lots of issues on not linux.
>

tl;dr version: it's shite.  the longer story...it's shite and focused on 
linux pretty much.

i kid i kid - it's def some interesting technology, but even before 
RedHat acquired Inktank there was a ton of linux specific foo baked into 
the code.

and even if you are running it on linux it's really unstable IMHO 
outside of some specific use-cases.  but even then, using it as a block 
storage backend for openstack for example, it is definitely not for the 
faint of heart to implement and maintain at scale.

just my two bits - i'm sure there are plenty of counterpoints out there 
- but i've often put lots of hope that ceph will mature into a product 
as it would have made my life *much* easier only to be disappointed.

-p


-- 
Pete Wright
pete at nomadlogic.org
nomadlogicLA



From mark.saad at ymail.com  Thu Nov  3 13:22:20 2016
From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 17:22:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [talk] S3 Work-a-likes
In-Reply-To: <93fb1693-6d52-3548-98b8-941aec45b375@nomadlogic.org>
References: <1792713344.486820.1478183923605.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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> On Thursday, November 3, 2016 12:40 PM, Pete Wright <pete at nomadlogic.org> wrote:
> > 
> 
> On 11/3/16 8:48 AM, Mark Saad wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>  On Thursday, November 3, 2016 10:58 AM, Siobhan Lynch 
> <slynch2112 at me.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>   On Nov 3, 2016, at 10:38 AM, Mark Saad <mark.saad at ymail.com> 
> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>   All
>>>>   Last night there was a discussion about s3 work-a-likes. Here are 
> the two
>>>  that I know of.
>>>> 
>>>>   1. LeoFS .
>>>>      Written in Erlang, and runs well enough on FreeBSD, Solaris, 
> Illumos ,
>>>  Linux and maybe even  Windows.
>>>> 
>>>>   Written by rakuten and used in production on a number of things. 
> Including
>>>  Project-Fifo.net, Rakuten.com
>>>>   and a number of other systems.
>>>> 
>>>>   http://leo-project.net/leofs/
>>>> 
>>>>   2. Minio .
>>>>     Written Go , and claims to be supported on many platforms .
>>>>   Its fairly new but aims to be fully compatable.
>>>>   https://minio.io
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>   Also fun things with LeoFS, it can run inside of a Zone or a Jail.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Ceph has radosgw which is a REST gateway to emulate s3.
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Trish
>>    I want to know why everyone is talking about ceph ? Not that I am in love 
> with LeoFS .
>>  But ceph has lots of issues on not linux.
>> 
> 
> tl;dr version: it's shite.  the longer story...it's shite and focused on 
> 
> linux pretty much.
> 
> i kid i kid - it's def some interesting technology, but even before 
> RedHat acquired Inktank there was a ton of linux specific foo baked into 

> the code.

Redhat has a way of removing support for non-linux from their code.

Going way back up2date and gfs were both once supported on FreeBSD . 

> 
> and even if you are running it on linux it's really unstable IMHO 
> outside of some specific use-cases.  but even then, using it as a block 
> storage backend for openstack for example, it is definitely not for the 

> faint of heart to implement and maintain at scale.

So I have heard this argument that its great for openstack. But I was shocked to 

hear that people are trying to use it as a block store for the kvms.

Why is this better then OCFS2 or GFS2 ? Or ever so why is this better then
iSCSI or AoE  ? a

My 2C is that is new and shiny .


> 
> just my two bits - i'm sure there are plenty of counterpoints out there 
> - but i've often put lots of hope that ceph will mature into a product 
> as it would have made my life *much* easier only to be disappointed.
> 
> 
> -p

> 



-- Mark Saad mark.saad at ymail.com
> 
> -- 
> Pete Wright
> pete at nomadlogic.org
> nomadlogicLA
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 



From edlinuxguru at gmail.com  Thu Nov  3 13:50:22 2016
From: edlinuxguru at gmail.com (Edward Capriolo)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 13:50:22 -0400
Subject: [talk] S3 Work-a-likes
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References: <1792713344.486820.1478183923605.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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On Thursday, November 3, 2016, Pete Wright <pete at nomadlogic.org> wrote:

>
>
> On 11/3/16 8:48 AM, Mark Saad wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, November 3, 2016 10:58 AM, Siobhan Lynch <slynch2112 at me.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Nov 3, 2016, at 10:38 AM, Mark Saad <mark.saad at ymail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  All
>>>>  Last night there was a discussion about s3 work-a-likes. Here are the
>>>> two
>>>>
>>> that I know of.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>  1. LeoFS .
>>>>     Written in Erlang, and runs well enough on FreeBSD, Solaris,
>>>> Illumos ,
>>>>
>>> Linux and maybe even  Windows.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Written by rakuten and used in production on a number of things.
>>>> Including
>>>>
>>> Project-Fifo.net, Rakuten.com
>>>
>>>>  and a number of other systems.
>>>>
>>>>  http://leo-project.net/leofs/
>>>>
>>>>  2. Minio .
>>>>    Written Go , and claims to be supported on many platforms .
>>>>  Its fairly new but aims to be fully compatable.
>>>>  https://minio.io
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Also fun things with LeoFS, it can run inside of a Zone or a Jail.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Ceph has radosgw which is a REST gateway to emulate s3.
>>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>> Trish
>>   I want to know why everyone is talking about ceph ? Not that I am in
>> love with LeoFS .
>> But ceph has lots of issues on not linux.
>>
>>
> tl;dr version: it's shite.  the longer story...it's shite and focused on
> linux pretty much.
>
> i kid i kid - it's def some interesting technology, but even before RedHat
> acquired Inktank there was a ton of linux specific foo baked into the code.
>
> and even if you are running it on linux it's really unstable IMHO outside
> of some specific use-cases.  but even then, using it as a block storage
> backend for openstack for example, it is definitely not for the faint of
> heart to implement and maintain at scale.
>
> just my two bits - i'm sure there are plenty of counterpoints out there -
> but i've often put lots of hope that ceph will mature into a product as it
> would have made my life *much* easier only to be disappointed.
>
> -p
>
>
> --
> Pete Wright
> pete at nomadlogic.org
> nomadlogicLA
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>

Also s3 is not a mountable filesytem. It is not a zfs, lusterfs, or
glusterfs not looking to implement posix locking etc.

Amazons product prospective is key. Instead of attemping to solve the
distributed mountable lockable filesystem problem, they understood that
people were making large piles of mostly large file immutable data.

Compliance and regulation want to keep all the data, bi teams wanting to do
year over year reporting want to keep the data. The built a solution not
attempted to solve the holy grail of big distributed file system with
posix.

Put/get big scale. Once they lock that piece they add features. Auto
retention via meta data, put get generate events to kinesis, reduced
storage lower cost, glacier only pay to take out.


-- 
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From slynch2112 at me.com  Thu Nov  3 10:58:26 2016
From: slynch2112 at me.com (Siobhan Lynch)
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2016 10:58:26 -0400
Subject: [talk] S3 Work-a-likes
In-Reply-To: <1792713344.486820.1478183923605@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1792713344.486820.1478183923605.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1792713344.486820.1478183923605@mail.yahoo.com>
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> On Nov 3, 2016, at 10:38 AM, Mark Saad <mark.saad at ymail.com> wrote:
> 
> All
> Last night there was a discussion about s3 work-a-likes. Here are the two that I know of.
> 
> 1. LeoFS .
>    Written in Erlang, and runs well enough on FreeBSD, Solaris, Illumos , Linux and maybe even  Windows. 
> 
> Written by rakuten and used in production on a number of things. Including Project-Fifo.net, Rakuten.com
> and a number of other systems.
> 
> http://leo-project.net/leofs/
> 
> 2. Minio .
>   Written Go , and claims to be supported on many platforms .
> Its fairly new but aims to be fully compatable.
> https://minio.io
> 
> 
> Also fun things with LeoFS, it can run inside of a Zone or a Jail.  
> 
> 


Ceph has radosgw which is a REST gateway to emulate s3. 

-Trish


From mark.saad at ymail.com  Thu Nov  3 18:26:06 2016
From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 18:26:06 -0400
Subject: [talk] Fine I put tape over my webcam but now what
Message-ID: <A2E81BD2-AAEB-4F90-8433-323FD618D8AD@ymail.com>

Ok
  So here is a good read from the land of tinfoil hats and hacking  air gapped openbsd laptops via sound.


http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/11/how-to-block-the-ultrasonic-signals-you-didnt-know-were-tracking-you/

So the tldr parts , ad tracking via ultrasound beacons . Imagine you install the wallmart app to get the 25% off coupon but it's tracking you via ultrasound beacons. 

Interesting non the less .


---
Mark Saad | mark.saad at ymail.com
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From pete at nomadlogic.org  Thu Nov  3 18:48:34 2016
From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 15:48:34 -0700
Subject: [talk] Fine I put tape over my webcam but now what
In-Reply-To: <A2E81BD2-AAEB-4F90-8433-323FD618D8AD@ymail.com>
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On 11/3/16 3:26 PM, Mark Saad wrote:
> Ok
>   So here is a good read from the land of tinfoil hats and hacking  air
> gapped openbsd laptops via sound.
>
>
> http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/11/how-to-block-the-ultrasonic-signals-you-didnt-know-were-tracking-you/
>
> So the tldr parts , ad tracking via ultrasound beacons . Imagine you
> install the wallmart app to get the 25% off coupon but it's tracking you
> via ultrasound beacons.
>
> Interesting non the less .
>

yea pretty terrifying that adtech has succeded in normalizing the idea 
that to use the internet is to consent to living a surveillance state. 
the worst part - imho - is the fact that most of people who i've worked 
with in this industry a) don't realize they are creating a surveillance 
state or b) think it's a good thing.

here's a good example of a company i've had the pleasure of interacting 
with:

http://www.xad.com/technology/

-p

-- 
Pete Wright
pete at nomadlogic.org
nomadlogicLA



From spork at bway.net  Thu Nov  3 19:05:12 2016
From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 19:05:12 -0400
Subject: [talk] Fine I put tape over my webcam but now what
In-Reply-To: <A2E81BD2-AAEB-4F90-8433-323FD618D8AD@ymail.com>
References: <A2E81BD2-AAEB-4F90-8433-323FD618D8AD@ymail.com>
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> On Nov 3, 2016, at 6:26 PM, Mark Saad <mark.saad at ymail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ok
>   So here is a good read from the land of tinfoil hats and hacking  air gapped openbsd laptops via sound.

I remember when that OpenBSD story came out and was controversial since there was little proof.  It was intriguing though, and in theory it seemed like a plausible thing (communicating over ultrasound).  I remember reading quite a bit of commentary that your average laptop speakers/microphone didn?t even work beyond the range of human hearing.  That intrigued me, so I grabbed some software for my desktop that could generate various simultaneous tones at any given frequency and then grabbed a spectrum analyzer for my laptop.  Across the room it was totally possible to send at least 8 simultaneous tones that were not audible, but were completely detectable at the laptop end - meaning I could differentiate between say, 18.5KHz, 19KHz, 19.5KHz, 22KHz, etc.  Now it?s a leap to turn that into something that can transfer data at wifi speeds, but 300 baud modem speeds or similar, enough to say, work on a terminal, that seems really doable with not a whole lot of work?

Anyhow, I find it all intriguing. :)

Charles

> http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/11/how-to-block-the-ultrasonic-signals-you-didnt-know-were-tracking-you/ <http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/11/how-to-block-the-ultrasonic-signals-you-didnt-know-were-tracking-you/>
> 
> So the tldr parts , ad tracking via ultrasound beacons . Imagine you install the wallmart app to get the 25% off coupon but it's tracking you via ultrasound beacons. 
> 
> Interesting non the less .
> 
> 
> ---
> Mark Saad | mark.saad at ymail.com <mailto:mark.saad at ymail.com>_______________________________________________
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From jpb at jimby.name  Thu Nov  3 21:44:31 2016
From: jpb at jimby.name (Jim B.)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 21:44:31 -0400
Subject: [talk] Fine I put tape over my webcam but now what
In-Reply-To: <A2E81BD2-AAEB-4F90-8433-323FD618D8AD@ymail.com>
References: <A2E81BD2-AAEB-4F90-8433-323FD618D8AD@ymail.com>
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* Mark Saad <mark.saad at ymail.com> [2016-11-03 18:41]:
>    Ok
> 
>      So here is a good read from the land of tinfoil hats and hacking  air
>    gapped openbsd laptops via sound.
> 
>    [1]http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/11/how-to-block-the-ultrasonic-
>    signals-you-didnt-know-were-tracking-you/
> 
>    So the tldr parts , ad tracking via ultrasound beacons . Imagine you
>    install the wallmart app to get the 25% off coupon but it's tracking
>    you via ultrasound beacons.
> 
>    Interesting non the less .


Interesting for sure.  But I doubt The Big W would go to all that extra effort.
They already use GPS and Bluetooth as noted in their privacy policy:

   Location Information: We may collect information about your location
   when your device is set to provide location information. For example,
   your device's GPS signal allows us to show you the nearest Walmart stores.
   We may be able to recognize the location of a mobile device in stores
   where we provide customers free WiFi access.  Through mobile services,
   Bluetooth technology in our stores allows us to show you nearby products
   that may interest you. See "What Are Your Choices?" below for more information.  
   http://corporate.walmart.com/privacy-security/walmart-privacy-policy

While that may sound scary, I can tell  you that they take your privacy (and
information security in general) very seriously.

If you have questions, let me know offline.  Full Disclosure - I work in
the information security organization at Walmart - where I'm just a bit
player really :-)

Cheers,
Jim B.



From cody.hess at gmail.com  Thu Nov  3 23:41:29 2016
From: cody.hess at gmail.com (Cody Hess)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 11:41:29 +0800
Subject: [talk] Wireless Setup in New Office
Message-ID: <CAG+LpcRKo9SqigpDaF1Qh_ZoW4uYpmdO2AicZUcVnojENbC1_w@mail.gmail.com>

I've been tasked with quality control on our office's wifi setup (no
experience).

We'll be serving less than 100 people in a 2500 square foot space with one
significant wall.

We've got a 1Gbps connection running into a Nokia 7368 ISAM ONT G-240G-C --
http://www.alfa2mil9.com/_InfPDF/Nokia/pol.pdf -- connected to a Ubiquiti
EdgeRouter Lite -- https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-lite/ --
connected to a Ubiquiti wifi access point --
https://www.amazon.com/Enterprise-System-UBIQUITI-NETWORKS-UAP-LR/dp/B00HXT8S9G
.

We're getting another access point today and my initial thought is that
this will be sufficient. I want to tell my people, "Thumbs up. This is good
internet."

?Has anyone got suggestions or criticism, or am I good to go??

?-Cody?
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From arielsanchezmora at gmail.com  Thu Nov  3 23:48:37 2016
From: arielsanchezmora at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ariel_S=C3=A1nchez?=)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 20:48:37 -0700
Subject: [talk] Wireless Setup in New Office
In-Reply-To: <CAG+LpcRKo9SqigpDaF1Qh_ZoW4uYpmdO2AicZUcVnojENbC1_w@mail.gmail.com>
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I have no personal experience with the Ubiquiti's but several friends are
very happy with them.

Apart from raw power and placement, find a way to check the existing (and
thus, competing) wifi channel spectrums. You want to change your channel to
whatever is least busy.

On Nov 3, 2016 11:41 PM, "Cody Hess" <cody.hess at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've been tasked with quality control on our office's wifi setup (no
> experience).
>
> We'll be serving less than 100 people in a 2500 square foot space with one
> significant wall.
>
> We've got a 1Gbps connection running into a Nokia 7368 ISAM ONT G-240G-C
> -- http://www.alfa2mil9.com/_InfPDF/Nokia/pol.pdf -- connected to a Ubiquiti
> EdgeRouter Lite -- https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-lite/ --
> connected to a Ubiquiti wifi access point -- https://www.amazon.com/
> Enterprise-System-UBIQUITI-NETWORKS-UAP-LR/dp/B00HXT8S9G .
>
> We're getting another access point today and my initial thought is that
> this will be sufficient. I want to tell my people, "Thumbs up. This is good
> internet."
>
> ?Has anyone got suggestions or criticism, or am I good to go??
>
> ?-Cody?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
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From justin at shiningsilence.com  Fri Nov  4 00:01:28 2016
From: justin at shiningsilence.com (Justin Sherrill)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 00:01:28 -0400
Subject: [talk] Wireless Setup in New Office
In-Reply-To: <CAG+LpcRKo9SqigpDaF1Qh_ZoW4uYpmdO2AicZUcVnojENbC1_w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG+LpcRKo9SqigpDaF1Qh_ZoW4uYpmdO2AicZUcVnojENbC1_w@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 11:41 PM, Cody Hess <cody.hess at gmail.com> wrote:
> I've been tasked with quality control on our office's wifi setup (no
> experience).
>
> We'll be serving less than 100 people in a 2500 square foot space with one
> significant wall.

I think you might be good - I have the 'normal' Ubiquiti wireless
units in the top building by the parking lot, the white building in
the middle, and the bottom grey shed in this Maps shot here:

https://goo.gl/maps/YBurjs2Mm7y

(Hope that works right)  The signal is nice enough that there's pretty
much continuous wifi across the entire area, inside and out - and
there's some significant metal in those buildings.  Ubiquiti's are so
cheap that if transmitter count is a problem, it's an easy problem to
fix.

As Ariel wrote, watch out for other noise in the same area of the
spectrum.  (Wifi Analyzer on Android is a handy tool for this)  We do
have the advantage that there aren't a lot of other transmitters in
the area.



From chsnyder at gmail.com  Fri Nov  4 00:17:59 2016
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 00:17:59 -0400
Subject: [talk] Fine I put tape over my webcam but now what
In-Reply-To: <e7dc42a8-e0b5-a6da-193d-754aa2e34b4c@nomadlogic.org>
References: <A2E81BD2-AAEB-4F90-8433-323FD618D8AD@ymail.com>
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On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 6:48 PM, Pete Wright <pete at nomadlogic.org> wrote:
>
>
> On 11/3/16 3:26 PM, Mark Saad wrote:
>
>> Ok
>>   So here is a good read from the land of tinfoil hats and hacking  air
>> gapped openbsd laptops via sound.
>>
>>
>> http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/11/how-to-block-the-
>> ultrasonic-signals-you-didnt-know-were-tracking-you/
>>
>> So the tldr parts , ad tracking via ultrasound beacons . Imagine you
>> install the wallmart app to get the 25% off coupon but it's tracking you
>> via ultrasound beacons.
>>
>> Interesting non the less .
>>
>>
> yea pretty terrifying that adtech has succeded in normalizing the idea
> that to use the internet is to consent to living a surveillance state. the
> worst part - imho - is the fact that most of people who i've worked with in
> this industry a) don't realize they are creating a surveillance state or b)
> think it's a good thing.
>
>
Just had the interesting-to-me thought that audio tracking works over voice
and videoconferencing links, no "internet" necessary.

If stray dogs start taking an uncommon interest in you, turn off your phone.
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From edlinuxguru at gmail.com  Fri Nov  4 00:31:07 2016
From: edlinuxguru at gmail.com (Edward Capriolo)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 00:31:07 -0400
Subject: [talk] Fine I put tape over my webcam but now what
In-Reply-To: <CAPKKYS2u-Z84mfrg-Kf=CsiTJpqdYakr+HaHcFKzu6KFc1N4NQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A2E81BD2-AAEB-4F90-8433-323FD618D8AD@ymail.com>
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On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 12:17 AM, Chris Snyder <chsnyder at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 6:48 PM, Pete Wright <pete at nomadlogic.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 11/3/16 3:26 PM, Mark Saad wrote:
>>
>>> Ok
>>>   So here is a good read from the land of tinfoil hats and hacking  air
>>> gapped openbsd laptops via sound.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/11/how-to-block-the-ult
>>> rasonic-signals-you-didnt-know-were-tracking-you/
>>>
>>> So the tldr parts , ad tracking via ultrasound beacons . Imagine you
>>> install the wallmart app to get the 25% off coupon but it's tracking you
>>> via ultrasound beacons.
>>>
>>> Interesting non the less .
>>>
>>>
>> yea pretty terrifying that adtech has succeded in normalizing the idea
>> that to use the internet is to consent to living a surveillance state. the
>> worst part - imho - is the fact that most of people who i've worked with in
>> this industry a) don't realize they are creating a surveillance state or b)
>> think it's a good thing.
>>
>>
> Just had the interesting-to-me thought that audio tracking works over
> voice and videoconferencing links, no "internet" necessary.
>
> If stray dogs start taking an uncommon interest in you, turn off your
> phone.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>

I am less worried about adtech companies that make marginal profits on look
alike targeting and more worried about the large player that has its own
protocols and browser, because they make there own rules.

https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2015/10/so-google-records-all-the-microphone-audio-all-the-time-after-all/
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From bob at redivi.com  Fri Nov  4 03:17:06 2016
From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 00:17:06 -0700
Subject: [talk] Wireless Setup in New Office
In-Reply-To: <CAG+LpcRKo9SqigpDaF1Qh_ZoW4uYpmdO2AicZUcVnojENbC1_w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG+LpcRKo9SqigpDaF1Qh_ZoW4uYpmdO2AicZUcVnojENbC1_w@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thursday, November 3, 2016, Cody Hess <cody.hess at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've been tasked with quality control on our office's wifi setup (no
> experience).
>
> We'll be serving less than 100 people in a 2500 square foot space with one
> significant wall.
>
> We've got a 1Gbps connection running into a Nokia 7368 ISAM ONT G-240G-C
> -- http://www.alfa2mil9.com/_InfPDF/Nokia/pol.pdf -- connected to a Ubiquiti
> EdgeRouter Lite -- https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-lite/ --
> connected to a Ubiquiti wifi access point -- https://www.amazon.com/
> Enterprise-System-UBIQUITI-NETWORKS-UAP-LR/dp/B00HXT8S9G .
>

I recommend running a speed test on the port you're using for wifi on the
router and watch the CPU usage. On the lite models some features are not
hardware assisted on all ports, and if you end up doing packets in software
you'll get about 100Mbps rather than 1Gbps. Simple configurations should
work just fine though, I think our misconfiguration had a virtual switch or
bridge that we did not even need in the first place.

Our ubiquiti wifi / edge router combo works great (when not misconfigured),
but we have fewer people in a smaller office so it's not really comparable.


>
> We're getting another access point today and my initial thought is that
> this will be sufficient. I want to tell my people, "Thumbs up. This is good
> internet."
>
> ?Has anyone got suggestions or criticism, or am I good to go??
>
> ?-Cody?
>
>
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From ike at blackskyresearch.net  Fri Nov  4 11:41:22 2016
From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac (.ike) Levy)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 11:41:22 -0400
Subject: [talk] Wireless Setup in New Office
In-Reply-To: <CAG+LpcRKo9SqigpDaF1Qh_ZoW4uYpmdO2AicZUcVnojENbC1_w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG+LpcRKo9SqigpDaF1Qh_ZoW4uYpmdO2AicZUcVnojENbC1_w@mail.gmail.com>
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> On Nov 3, 2016, at 11:41 PM, Cody Hess <cody.hess at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I've been tasked with quality control on our office's wifi setup (no experience).
> 
> We'll be serving less than 100 people in a 2500 square foot space with one significant wall.
> 
> We've got a 1Gbps connection running into a Nokia 7368 ISAM ONT G-240G-C -- http://www.alfa2mil9.com/_InfPDF/Nokia/pol.pdf -- connected to a Ubiquiti EdgeRouter Lite -- https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-lite/ -- connected to a Ubiquiti wifi access point -- https://www.amazon.com/Enterprise-System-UBIQUITI-NETWORKS-UAP-LR/dp/B00HXT8S9G .
> 
> We're getting another access point today and my initial thought is that this will be sufficient. I want to tell my people, "Thumbs up. This is good internet."
> 
> ?Has anyone got suggestions or criticism, or am I good to go??
> 
> ?-Cody?


One big suggestion: for that many people, more access points may be necessary?  (If I read this right, you'll have 2x AP?s).

Wireless in an NYC office is really challenging, and mileage varies greatly depending on neighbors, the composition of the glass for your windows and exterior walls, how close you are to the street (all those smartphones trying to connect to your AP?s), etc?

With that, I?d really suggest figuring out how to solicit as much continued easy feedback from people as possible, to find dead spots, or bad times of day, etc.

Also: be careful to set people?s expectations on 802.11ac speeds- the Ubiquiti gear is good for a few users at the new hot speeds, but in my experience they collapse at 15 users.  If stability is your aim, be sure there?s both 802.11b (using 2.4ghz radio) and 802.11g (using 2.4 and 5ghz radio) all in the mix!

?
One last thing, I hate recommending vendors- but if the Ubiquiti gear starts to collapse under load, I just had an awesome experience with the Engenius lineup, using their POE managed controller switches, to cover 9 access points (802.11ac was important).  For the price, their latest 2016 gear was shockingly on par with the high end stuff.  We actually tested AP's against Rukus and Meraki, and the Engenius gear held up with the big brands- albeit a few rough edges, more annoying firmware update process, and less sexy package.)  In this office btw, new Ubiquiti gear was the incumbent- and straight up couldn?t handle the load.

Good luck slinging those packets!

Best,
.ike




From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Fri Nov  4 13:12:04 2016
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 13:12:04 -0400
Subject: [talk] Fine I put tape over my webcam but now what
In-Reply-To: <CAENxBww4QurXGSgfKVBQQkXSDSW14w2mBXC-RgQNsmmdCsUsjA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A2E81BD2-AAEB-4F90-8433-323FD618D8AD@ymail.com>
 <e7dc42a8-e0b5-a6da-193d-754aa2e34b4c@nomadlogic.org>
 <CAPKKYS2u-Z84mfrg-Kf=CsiTJpqdYakr+HaHcFKzu6KFc1N4NQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAENxBww4QurXGSgfKVBQQkXSDSW14w2mBXC-RgQNsmmdCsUsjA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8e236fee-5148-ffc6-22ce-9e61f387f01e@ceetonetechnology.com>

On 11/04/16 00:31, Edward Capriolo wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 12:17 AM, Chris Snyder <chsnyder at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 6:48 PM, Pete Wright <pete at nomadlogic.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/3/16 3:26 PM, Mark Saad wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ok
>>>>   So here is a good read from the land of tinfoil hats and hacking  air
>>>> gapped openbsd laptops via sound.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/11/how-to-block-the-ult
>>>> rasonic-signals-you-didnt-know-were-tracking-you/
>>>>
>>>> So the tldr parts , ad tracking via ultrasound beacons . Imagine you
>>>> install the wallmart app to get the 25% off coupon but it's tracking you
>>>> via ultrasound beacons.
>>>>
>>>> Interesting non the less .
>>>>
>>>>
>>> yea pretty terrifying that adtech has succeded in normalizing the idea
>>> that to use the internet is to consent to living a surveillance state. the
>>> worst part - imho - is the fact that most of people who i've worked with in
>>> this industry a) don't realize they are creating a surveillance state or b)
>>> think it's a good thing.
>>>
>>>
>> Just had the interesting-to-me thought that audio tracking works over
>> voice and videoconferencing links, no "internet" necessary.
>>
>> If stray dogs start taking an uncommon interest in you, turn off your
>> phone.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> talk mailing list
>> talk at lists.nycbug.org
>> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>
> 
> I am less worried about adtech companies that make marginal profits on look
> alike targeting and more worried about the large player that has its own
> protocols and browser, because they make there own rules.
> 
> https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2015/10/so-google-records-all-the-microphone-audio-all-the-time-after-all/

Ha.  Yes.

All your mics are on and Ed stopped top-posting!  Certainly a sign of
the coming apocalypse!

In all seriousness, I tend to take the minimalist approach to mitigating
these threats: treat your phone as a compromised platform that isn't
secureable.  I think there's an old ACM Queue article from PHK that
essentially makes that argument from a few years ago.  Your contacts,
private PGP and SSH keys, etc., are public information when residing on
your phone.

PHK also happened to do a review of Silent Circle's BlackPhone2 in three
parts.  This is the first:

https://www.version2.dk/blog/blackphone2-review-1-508188

It's noteworthy since it's supposed to be a secure phone, but the
weaknesses are standard problem on all phones. Ultimately, assurances
and policies from the manufacturer, software providers and of course the
cell network provider aren't a basis for 'privacy by design.' And most
don't even provide favorable policies.

In regards to this actual vulnerability, I wonder what the 'cost'
(computationally on the provider-side, not just monetarily) is on such
surveillance, er, I mean data-mining, really is. You have firms which
rely on third-party cookies still, and the step up to audio captures is
a significant leap in terms of required resources for storage, parsing, etc.

I'm sure there are people on this list who may know the answers, but
aren't in a position to speak about it publicly...

g



From edlinuxguru at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 13:41:58 2016
From: edlinuxguru at gmail.com (Edward Capriolo)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 13:41:58 -0500
Subject: [talk] Is anyone interested on a talk about c actor-framework?
Message-ID: <CAENxBwyXzno2A6+J3EwSRpv2Ub3jX4Xi2rjEUn==H9gGy_ybyA@mail.gmail.com>

I have been playing here and there with:
https://www.actor-framework.org/

Poor description coming:
Actor frameworks (see erlang & akka) allow applications to be written as a
series of actors and move messages between them.

I have dabbled with compiling/running/proof of concept this library. I was
thinking to attempt to set it up as a port (it builds with cmake), or do a
talk about using it. This talk would be a couple months out.

I have also been playing with https://github.com/vgvassilev/cling (an
interpreter for c++_

Is anyone interested in either topic?

Thanks,
Edward

PS: @George (Im clearly top posting here)
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From _ at thomaslevine.com  Wed Nov  9 13:57:31 2016
From: _ at thomaslevine.com (Thomas Levine)
Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2016 18:57:31 +0000
Subject: [talk] S3 Work-a-likes
In-Reply-To: <74178114.580335.1478193740574@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1792713344.486820.1478183923605.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1792713344.486820.1478183923605@mail.yahoo.com>
 <B9A55EB0-5B5D-4B04-96CB-BCBE0F9580CB@me.com>
 <404554955.523304.1478188108881@mail.yahoo.com>
 <93fb1693-6d52-3548-98b8-941aec45b375@nomadlogic.org>
 <74178114.580335.1478193740574@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20161109185732.EDBDBF29CF@mailuser.nyi.internal>

I had been wondering what benefits S3 has for things other than huge
distributed data stores, so it was interesting for me to read about the
various features that S3 provides and are not typical of filesystems.



From ike at blackskyresearch.net  Sat Nov 12 09:02:28 2016
From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac (.ike) Levy)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 09:02:28 -0500
Subject: [talk] S3 Work-a-likes
In-Reply-To: <20161109185732.EDBDBF29CF@mailuser.nyi.internal>
References: <1792713344.486820.1478183923605.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1792713344.486820.1478183923605@mail.yahoo.com>
 <B9A55EB0-5B5D-4B04-96CB-BCBE0F9580CB@me.com>
 <404554955.523304.1478188108881@mail.yahoo.com>
 <93fb1693-6d52-3548-98b8-941aec45b375@nomadlogic.org>
 <74178114.580335.1478193740574@mail.yahoo.com>
 <20161109185732.EDBDBF29CF@mailuser.nyi.internal>
Message-ID: <6F76E779-E91F-4DA6-910E-B08872992980@blackskyresearch.net>

Wordup Thomas,

> On Nov 9, 2016, at 1:57 PM, Thomas Levine <_ at thomaslevine.com> wrote:
> 
> I had been wondering what benefits S3 has for things other than huge
> distributed data stores, so it was interesting for me to read about the
> various features that S3 provides and are not typical of filesystems.

As a fellow curious person who tends to love storage problems, what are the features you found compelling?

I?m asking in all seriousness after implementing ?object stores? for immutable data collections far too many times, and I?ve been toying with wrapping up and realeasing an open source riff on getting this job done.

Thanks in advance for any notes/thoughts-

Rocket-
.ike




From _ at thomaslevine.com  Sat Nov 12 18:35:47 2016
From: _ at thomaslevine.com (Thomas Levine)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 23:35:47 +0000
Subject: [talk] S3 Work-a-likes
In-Reply-To: <6F76E779-E91F-4DA6-910E-B08872992980@blackskyresearch.net>
References: <1792713344.486820.1478183923605.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1792713344.486820.1478183923605@mail.yahoo.com>
 <B9A55EB0-5B5D-4B04-96CB-BCBE0F9580CB@me.com>
 <404554955.523304.1478188108881@mail.yahoo.com>
 <93fb1693-6d52-3548-98b8-941aec45b375@nomadlogic.org>
 <74178114.580335.1478193740574@mail.yahoo.com>
 <20161109185732.EDBDBF29CF@mailuser.nyi.internal>
 <6F76E779-E91F-4DA6-910E-B08872992980@blackskyresearch.net>
Message-ID: <20161112233549.4C6C27F0A0@mailuser.nyi.internal>

The interesting features for me were mostly the ones that Edward
Capriolo presented on 03 Nov 2016 12:09:55 -0400. None compelled me;
that is, I don't think I personally would ever want to use any of the
features if my goal was just to make good software. 

Note that I don't have a job and that I thus don't really benefit from
the illusion of legibility, the name brand, the general sophistry that
the S3 features provide.

"Isaac (.ike) Levy" writes:
> Wordup Thomas,
> 
> > On Nov 9, 2016, at 1:57 PM, Thomas Levine <_ at thomaslevine.com> wrote:
> >=20
> > I had been wondering what benefits S3 has for things other than huge
> > distributed data stores, so it was interesting for me to read about =
> the
> > various features that S3 provides and are not typical of filesystems.
> 
> As a fellow curious person who tends to love storage problems, what are =
> the features you found compelling?
> 
> I=E2=80=99m asking in all seriousness after implementing =E2=80=9Cobject =
> stores=E2=80=9D for immutable data collections far too many times, and =
> I=E2=80=99ve been toying with wrapping up and realeasing an open source =
> riff on getting this job done.
> 
> Thanks in advance for any notes/thoughts-
> 
> Rocket-
> .ike
> 
> 



From kmsujit at gmail.com  Sun Nov 13 01:35:51 2016
From: kmsujit at gmail.com (Sujit K M)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 12:05:51 +0530
Subject: [talk] S3 Work-a-likes
In-Reply-To: <6F76E779-E91F-4DA6-910E-B08872992980@blackskyresearch.net>
References: <1792713344.486820.1478183923605.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1792713344.486820.1478183923605@mail.yahoo.com>
 <B9A55EB0-5B5D-4B04-96CB-BCBE0F9580CB@me.com>
 <404554955.523304.1478188108881@mail.yahoo.com>
 <93fb1693-6d52-3548-98b8-941aec45b375@nomadlogic.org>
 <74178114.580335.1478193740574@mail.yahoo.com>
 <20161109185732.EDBDBF29CF@mailuser.nyi.internal>
 <6F76E779-E91F-4DA6-910E-B08872992980@blackskyresearch.net>
Message-ID: <CA+6mNerVR681jZn9ob54_783g6nBz44=YoLL-GhiPqRLMUPoWQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 7:32 PM, Isaac (.ike) Levy
<ike at blackskyresearch.net> wrote:
> Wordup Thomas,
>
>> On Nov 9, 2016, at 1:57 PM, Thomas Levine <_ at thomaslevine.com> wrote:
>>
>> I had been wondering what benefits S3 has for things other than huge
>> distributed data stores, so it was interesting for me to read about the
>> various features that S3 provides and are not typical of filesystems.
>
> As a fellow curious person who tends to love storage problems, what are the features you found compelling?
>
> I?m asking in all seriousness after implementing ?object stores? for immutable data collections far too many times, and I?ve been toying > with wrapping up and realeasing an open source riff on getting this job done.

Is the language only Java, I am quite unaware of Python. Totally
Unaware of S3 Too.



From kmsujit at gmail.com  Sun Nov 13 06:58:57 2016
From: kmsujit at gmail.com (Sujit K M)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 17:28:57 +0530
Subject: [talk] S3 Work-a-likes
In-Reply-To: <CA+6mNerVR681jZn9ob54_783g6nBz44=YoLL-GhiPqRLMUPoWQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1792713344.486820.1478183923605.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1792713344.486820.1478183923605@mail.yahoo.com>
 <B9A55EB0-5B5D-4B04-96CB-BCBE0F9580CB@me.com>
 <404554955.523304.1478188108881@mail.yahoo.com>
 <93fb1693-6d52-3548-98b8-941aec45b375@nomadlogic.org>
 <74178114.580335.1478193740574@mail.yahoo.com>
 <20161109185732.EDBDBF29CF@mailuser.nyi.internal>
 <6F76E779-E91F-4DA6-910E-B08872992980@blackskyresearch.net>
 <CA+6mNerVR681jZn9ob54_783g6nBz44=YoLL-GhiPqRLMUPoWQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+6mNeqBKWEXK7s9qsEyopa4g7zjbQMzYkptyOLZAUV5z99SYg@mail.gmail.com>

> Is the language only Java, I am quite unaware of Python. Totally
> Unaware of S3 Too.
As a JAVA Developer I found a lot of issues in what seems the so called
"implementing ?object stores? for immutable data collections", but as was
surprising to me didn't find it in other languages like Python.

I got some documentton on Python on the Concurrent Access Violations.
https://docs.python.org/2/library/exceptions.html (Surprisingly seems
to be only RuntimeError)
https://docs.python.org/3.1/library/pickle.html (has a line on
concurrency control)

Below some documentation on Java.
http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSJavaSDK/latest/javadoc/index.html



From edlinuxguru at gmail.com  Sun Nov 13 08:54:04 2016
From: edlinuxguru at gmail.com (Edward Capriolo)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 08:54:04 -0500
Subject: [talk] S3 Work-a-likes
In-Reply-To: <CA+6mNeqBKWEXK7s9qsEyopa4g7zjbQMzYkptyOLZAUV5z99SYg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1792713344.486820.1478183923605.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1792713344.486820.1478183923605@mail.yahoo.com>
 <B9A55EB0-5B5D-4B04-96CB-BCBE0F9580CB@me.com>
 <404554955.523304.1478188108881@mail.yahoo.com>
 <93fb1693-6d52-3548-98b8-941aec45b375@nomadlogic.org>
 <74178114.580335.1478193740574@mail.yahoo.com>
 <20161109185732.EDBDBF29CF@mailuser.nyi.internal>
 <6F76E779-E91F-4DA6-910E-B08872992980@blackskyresearch.net>
 <CA+6mNerVR681jZn9ob54_783g6nBz44=YoLL-GhiPqRLMUPoWQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+6mNeqBKWEXK7s9qsEyopa4g7zjbQMzYkptyOLZAUV5z99SYg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAENxBwzk5qdPtjPu569Mb64Fn6x=2g+XqcAnPKCkYdEcAFkd3w@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 6:58 AM, Sujit K M <kmsujit at gmail.com> wrote:

> > Is the language only Java, I am quite unaware of Python. Totally
> > Unaware of S3 Too.
> As a JAVA Developer I found a lot of issues in what seems the so called
> "implementing ?object stores? for immutable data collections", but as was
> surprising to me didn't find it in other languages like Python.
>
> I got some documentton on Python on the Concurrent Access Violations.
> https://docs.python.org/2/library/exceptions.html (Surprisingly seems
> to be only RuntimeError)
> https://docs.python.org/3.1/library/pickle.html (has a line on
> concurrency control)
>
> Below some documentation on Java.
> http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSJavaSDK/latest/javadoc/index.html
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk


Typically I would not consider S3 an object store, (DynamoDB is more the
type of system I would suggest for storing data collections)

S3 is designed to store large objects (files) in particular the only way to
search it is by paging the files though an api.

http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSJavaSDK/latest/javadoc/com/amazonaws/services/s3/AmazonS3Client.html

public ObjectListing
<http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSJavaSDK/latest/javadoc/com/amazonaws/services/s3/model/ObjectListing.html>
listObjects(String
<http://docs.oracle.com/javase/6/docs/api/java/lang/String.html?is-external=true>
bucketName,
                                 String
<http://docs.oracle.com/javase/6/docs/api/java/lang/String.html?is-external=true>
prefix)
                          throws SdkClientException
<http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSJavaSDK/latest/javadoc/com/amazonaws/SdkClientException.html>,
                                 AmazonServiceException
<http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSJavaSDK/latest/javadoc/com/amazonaws/AmazonServiceException.html>

Most of the amazon API's have small max page size. (100,1000). In
cases where you do not know the name and you have many files you end
up paging and each page is an API call.
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From ike at blackskyresearch.net  Mon Nov 28 12:48:33 2016
From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac (.ike) Levy)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 12:48:33 -0500
Subject: [talk] OpenBSD site down?
Message-ID: <6957DDEC-6A33-4F19-9838-A361CC433E0A@blackskyresearch.net>

Hey all,

OpenBSD site appears in reachable from 2 locations I've tried so far- online "what's down" sites report they can't reach either.

Anyone know what's up here?

Best,
.ike

sent from my mobile


From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Mon Nov 28 12:51:51 2016
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 12:51:51 -0500
Subject: [talk] OpenBSD site down?
In-Reply-To: <6957DDEC-6A33-4F19-9838-A361CC433E0A@blackskyresearch.net>
References: <6957DDEC-6A33-4F19-9838-A361CC433E0A@blackskyresearch.net>
Message-ID: <eee73215-57b1-9795-40d0-aeb29b374677@ceetonetechnology.com>

On 11/28/16 12:48, Isaac (.ike) Levy wrote:
> Hey all,
> 
> OpenBSD site appears in reachable from 2 locations I've tried so far- online "what's down" sites report they can't reach either.
> 
> Anyone know what's up here?

Seems down... yes.

last hop is some host on backbone.ualberta.ca from my angle.

g



From pete at nomadlogic.org  Mon Nov 28 12:54:16 2016
From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 09:54:16 -0800
Subject: [talk] OpenBSD site down?
In-Reply-To: <eee73215-57b1-9795-40d0-aeb29b374677@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <6957DDEC-6A33-4F19-9838-A361CC433E0A@blackskyresearch.net>
 <eee73215-57b1-9795-40d0-aeb29b374677@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <182f22fe-58de-f3e4-f2e9-b2cf391f2adb@nomadlogic.org>



On 11/28/16 9:51 AM, George Rosamond wrote:
> On 11/28/16 12:48, Isaac (.ike) Levy wrote:
>> Hey all,
>>
>> OpenBSD site appears in reachable from 2 locations I've tried so far- online "what's down" sites report they can't reach either.
>>
>> Anyone know what's up here?
>
> Seems down... yes.
>
> last hop is some host on backbone.ualberta.ca from my angle.
>

same here from the left coast - secure by default by taking the site 
offline right?  i kid..i kid...

-p

-- 
Pete Wright
pete at nomadlogic.org
nomadlogicLA



From ike at blackskyresearch.net  Mon Nov 28 12:56:03 2016
From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac (.ike) Levy)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 12:56:03 -0500
Subject: [talk] OpenBSD site down?
In-Reply-To: <eee73215-57b1-9795-40d0-aeb29b374677@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <6957DDEC-6A33-4F19-9838-A361CC433E0A@blackskyresearch.net>
 <eee73215-57b1-9795-40d0-aeb29b374677@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <7B84E527-7895-4D48-AFE5-E82451F418F8@blackskyresearch.net>


> On Nov 28, 2016, at 12:51 PM, George Rosamond <george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 11/28/16 12:48, Isaac (.ike) Levy wrote:
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> OpenBSD site appears in reachable from 2 locations I've tried so far- online "what's down" sites report they can't reach either.
>> 
>> Anyone know what's up here?
> 
> Seems down... yes.
> 
> last hop is some host on backbone.ualberta.ca from my angle.

Yeah I can confirm that.  Hrm.

Rocket-
.ike


> 
> g
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com  Mon Nov 28 13:44:53 2016
From: viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com (Robert Menes)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 13:44:53 -0500
Subject: [talk] OpenBSD site down?
In-Reply-To: <7B84E527-7895-4D48-AFE5-E82451F418F8@blackskyresearch.net>
References: <6957DDEC-6A33-4F19-9838-A361CC433E0A@blackskyresearch.net>
 <eee73215-57b1-9795-40d0-aeb29b374677@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <7B84E527-7895-4D48-AFE5-E82451F418F8@blackskyresearch.net>
Message-ID: <CA+TaHT36Mu5aYTzDJ9UnVVu6F5JCR2Cg1qYtbWJrnKN825uCKw@mail.gmail.com>

Can't access the site here, either. Tried pinging and got timeouts.

--Robert

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Isaac (.ike) Levy <
ike at blackskyresearch.net> wrote:

>
> > On Nov 28, 2016, at 12:51 PM, George Rosamond <
> george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 11/28/16 12:48, Isaac (.ike) Levy wrote:
> >> Hey all,
> >>
> >> OpenBSD site appears in reachable from 2 locations I've tried so far-
> online "what's down" sites report they can't reach either.
> >>
> >> Anyone know what's up here?
> >
> > Seems down... yes.
> >
> > last hop is some host on backbone.ualberta.ca from my angle.
>
> Yeah I can confirm that.  Hrm.
>
> Rocket-
> .ike
>
>
> >
> > g
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > talk mailing list
> > talk at lists.nycbug.org
> > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>



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From jpb at jimby.name  Mon Nov 28 15:55:04 2016
From: jpb at jimby.name (jpb)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 14:55:04 -0600
Subject: [talk] OpenBSD site down?
In-Reply-To: <CA+TaHT36Mu5aYTzDJ9UnVVu6F5JCR2Cg1qYtbWJrnKN825uCKw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6957DDEC-6A33-4F19-9838-A361CC433E0A@blackskyresearch.net>
 <eee73215-57b1-9795-40d0-aeb29b374677@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <7B84E527-7895-4D48-AFE5-E82451F418F8@blackskyresearch.net>
 <CA+TaHT36Mu5aYTzDJ9UnVVu6F5JCR2Cg1qYtbWJrnKN825uCKw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b78058b8-e171-d343-bdfa-ba14d67b4f55@jimby.name>



On 11/28/2016 12:44, Robert Menes wrote:
> Can't access the site here, either. Tried pinging and got timeouts.
>
> --Robert
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Isaac (.ike) Levy
> <ike at blackskyresearch.net <mailto:ike at blackskyresearch.net>> wrote:
>
>
>     > On Nov 28, 2016, at 12:51 PM, George Rosamond
>     <george at ceetonetechnology.com
>     <mailto:george at ceetonetechnology.com>> wrote:
>     >
>     >> On 11/28/16 12:48, Isaac (.ike) Levy wrote:
>     >> Hey all,
>     >>
>     >> OpenBSD site appears in reachable from 2 locations I've tried
>     so far- online "what's down" sites report they can't reach either.
>     >>
>     >> Anyone know what's up here?
>     >
>     > Seems down... yes.
>     >
>     > last hop is some host on backbone.ualberta.ca
>     <http://backbone.ualberta.ca> from my angle.
>
>     Yeah I can confirm that.  Hrm.
>
>     Rocket-
>     .ike
>
>
>     >
>     > g
>     >
>
>

Reached it from here in Arkysaw:  https://www.openbsd.org

Jim B.



>
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From crossd at gmail.com  Mon Nov 28 16:07:37 2016
From: crossd at gmail.com (Dan Cross)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 16:07:37 -0500
Subject: [talk] OpenBSD site down?
In-Reply-To: <b78058b8-e171-d343-bdfa-ba14d67b4f55@jimby.name>
References: <6957DDEC-6A33-4F19-9838-A361CC433E0A@blackskyresearch.net>
 <eee73215-57b1-9795-40d0-aeb29b374677@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <7B84E527-7895-4D48-AFE5-E82451F418F8@blackskyresearch.net>
 <CA+TaHT36Mu5aYTzDJ9UnVVu6F5JCR2Cg1qYtbWJrnKN825uCKw@mail.gmail.com>
 <b78058b8-e171-d343-bdfa-ba14d67b4f55@jimby.name>
Message-ID: <CAEoi9W7Sw8CgUy6OrK5ja85CxW9+vTPMppT+y4KF99jnuYTsgg@mail.gmail.com>

It's back up now. Maybe it was hacked. *snicker*

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 3:55 PM, jpb <jpb at jimby.name> wrote:

>
>
> On 11/28/2016 12:44, Robert Menes wrote:
>
> Can't access the site here, either. Tried pinging and got timeouts.
>
> --Robert
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Isaac (.ike) Levy <
> ike at blackskyresearch.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> > On Nov 28, 2016, at 12:51 PM, George Rosamond <
>> george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 11/28/16 12:48, Isaac (.ike) Levy wrote:
>> >> Hey all,
>> >>
>> >> OpenBSD site appears in reachable from 2 locations I've tried so far-
>> online "what's down" sites report they can't reach either.
>> >>
>> >> Anyone know what's up here?
>> >
>> > Seems down... yes.
>> >
>> > last hop is some host on backbone.ualberta.ca from my angle.
>>
>> Yeah I can confirm that.  Hrm.
>>
>> Rocket-
>> .ike
>>
>>
>> >
>> > g
>> >
>>
>
>
> Reached it from here in Arkysaw:  https://www.openbsd.org
>
> Jim B.
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing listtalk at lists.nycbug.orghttp://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
>
>
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