From venture37 at geeklan.co.uk Fri Sep 2 09:46:29 2016 From: venture37 at geeklan.co.uk (Sevan Janiyan) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 14:46:29 +0100 Subject: [talk] installfest, tonight In-Reply-To: <20160805.090956.1290338057650315924.jun@soum.co.jp> References: <48c043da-d04e-9dad-6d8c-ca7799858c20@ceetonetechnology.com> <20160804.135819.2140421432359289916.jun@soum.co.jp> <20160805.090956.1290338057650315924.jun@soum.co.jp> Message-ID: <2708fa96-ad82-60c7-3602-3e9ab6a93734@geeklan.co.uk> Hello, On 05/08/2016 01:09, Jun Ebihara wrote: > hpcmips port was out of hospital,from wrong term NetBSD old MIPS port broken. > 3. 7.99.34 kernel hangs after /sbin/init > http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-hpcmips/2016/07/29/msg000287.html NetBSD/hpcmips was fixed in -head & the changes were pulled up into the netbsd-6 & 7 stable branches. Then -head was promptly broken again. If you don't need to run NetBSD-HEAD, any of the current stable snapshots should work on a WorkPad. For NetBSD-HEAD, I sent my device away so the issue could be looked into closely, trying to do remote hands proved to be ineffective. There is progress being made and hopefully soon there should be would snapshots of -HEAD as well. > 1. PCMCIA card support still on NetBSD 5 decade. > 2. lost intterept issue remains such as PCMCIA bus, may be. > > If you can check PCMCIA card with NetBSD/i386 works well, > add configration to hpcmips GENERIC and re-compiling kernel > should work well. This is hit & miss. I have a 10Mbps ne(4) card which works without issue (sustaining a whopping 300kbps when doing network installs) but a 100Mbps ne(4) card causes the system to become unresponsive whilst it's connected & the interface is up. YMMV :) Sevan From george at ceetonetechnology.com Sun Sep 4 09:55:07 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2016 09:55:07 -0400 Subject: [talk] NYC*BUG Wed Sept 7: Teaching OSs with FreeBSD & DTrace Message-ID: <9d3bb6cd-0f5e-5393-29e9-067f716e6112@ceetonetechnology.com> Wednesday, September 7 Teaching Operating Systems with FreeBSD and DTrace, George Neville-Neil 18:45, TBA! Note we will NOT be at Stone Creek for the September meeting and are working out details on an alternate spot. Watch for an update on announce@ or talk@ lists. Abstract For the past two years George Neville-Neil and Robert Watson have been developing courseware for students studying Operating Systems at the Graduate, Undergraduate and Post Graduate (practitioner) level. These courses have been taught at the University of Cambridge, the University of Darmstadt and various BSD related conferences. The material is all available under an open source license at http://teachbsd.org and github (https://github.com/orgs/teachbsd/dashboard). We've been using DTrace extensively as a way to give students insight into the complex workings of the operating system and we believe that this leads to a more broad understanding of the material presented. In this talk I'll present an overview of our work and discuss our experiences in teaching this material. Our goal is to get more people to teach with our materials and to promulgate both the teaching methods as well as knowledge of FreeBSD in particular and the BSDs in general. Speaker Bio George is the author of two leading books on operating systems, the latest co-authored with Marshall Kirk McKusick and Robert N. M. Watson of The Design and implementation of the FreeBSD Operating System 2nd Ed. For over ten years he has been the columnist better known as Kode Vicious, producing the most widely read column in both of ACM's premier flagship magazines, "Queue" and "Communications of the ACM". More recently he was tapped to chair the ACM Practitioner Board, which is dedicated to bridging the gap between research and industry, where he helped create the ACM Applicative conference. George has been a FreeBSD committer for over 10 years, and currently serves on the elected Core team which helps manage the overall project. Since 2012 he has been on the Board of Directors of the FreeBSD Foundation, the US 501c3 organization that helps to support the FreeBSD Project. He is an avid bicyclist and traveler who speaks several languages and has lived and worked in Amsterdam and Tokyo. He currently lives in Brooklyn, New York. From george at ceetonetechnology.com Sun Sep 4 16:30:23 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2016 16:30:23 -0400 Subject: [talk] meeting space for Wednesday Message-ID: <4d3cfd59-bd99-93af-976f-09ec3f5e230c@ceetonetechnology.com> We had some scheduling issues with Stone Creek for Wednesday's meeting. We are exploring other options, but if other people have space for up to up to 30-35 people without the need for RSVPs, hit admin@ offlist. g From george at ceetonetechnology.com Tue Sep 6 11:26:44 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 11:26:44 -0400 Subject: [talk] Wednesday GNN DTrace meeting Message-ID: Thanks to all the replies for a last-minute meeting location, but... Raul has us booked at the Woolworth Building at 233 Broadway across from City Hall in the main conference room on the 21st Floor. You *may* need to sign in. We'll start at 645 PM as usual. From george at ceetonetechnology.com Wed Sep 7 09:41:52 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 09:41:52 -0400 Subject: [talk] NYC*BUG Tonight: Teaching DTrace/FreeBSD Message-ID: NOTE LOCATION CHANGE! Please spread the word. Tonight September 7 Teaching Operating Systems with FreeBSD and DTrace, George Neville-Neil 18:45, Woolworth Building: 233 Broadway, 21st Floor Notice: Location Change Abstract For the past two years George Neville-Neil and Robert Watson have been developing courseware for students studying Operating Systems at the Graduate, Undergraduate and Post Graduate (practitioner) level. These courses have been taught at the University of Cambridge, the University of Darmstadt and various BSD related conferences. The material is all available under an open source license at http://teachbsd.org and github (https://github.com/orgs/teachbsd/dashboard). We've been using DTrace extensively as a way to give students insight into the complex workings of the operating system and we believe that this leads to a more broad understanding of the material presented. In this talk I'll present an overview of our work and discuss our experiences in teaching this material. Our goal is to get more people to teach with our materials and to promulgate both the teaching methods as well as knowledge of FreeBSD in particular and the BSDs in general. Speaker Bio George is the author of two leading books on operating systems, the latest co-authored with Marshall Kirk McKusick and Robert N. M. Watson of The Design and implementation of the FreeBSD Operating System 2nd Ed. For over ten years he has been the columnist better known as Kode Vicious, producing the most widely read column in both of ACM's premier flagship magazines, "Queue" and "Communications of the ACM". More recently he was tapped to chair the ACM Practitioner Board, which is dedicated to bridging the gap between research and industry, where he helped create the ACM Applicative conference. George has been a FreeBSD committer for over 10 years, and currently serves on the elected Core team which helps manage the overall project. Since 2012 he has been on the Board of Directors of the FreeBSD Foundation, the US 501c3 organization that helps to support the FreeBSD Project. He is an avid bicyclist and traveler who speaks several languages and has lived and worked in Amsterdam and Tokyo. He currently lives in Brooklyn, New York. From george at ceetonetechnology.com Wed Sep 7 09:51:45 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 09:51:45 -0400 Subject: [talk] upcoming meetings Message-ID: <72c1a584-141c-1eb8-f9c4-0e533c56d82b@ceetonetechnology.com> admin@ is working on the upcoming meetings, but if anyone has anything interesting they are working on and are interested in doing a meeting, ping admin@ directly. This is a page on the www about doing a meeting: http://www.nycbug.org/index.cgi?action=speakers Basically, relevant topics include: * "classic" (or real) Unix stuff * particular BSD implementation and development use-cases, ie, how a particular BSD solution can or did accomplish $task. These can be "in production" scenarios, but they don't have to it. We are always open to more development-related meetings. Port specific topics aren't generally good meetings. Those tend to turn into "first, cd to $dir, then make install, then edit the config file" and at worst, sectarian debates like with configuration management. On the www site is a (long) list of past meetings that might give you an idea. If you've spoken in the past for NYC*BUG, we are always open to repeat speakers. Discussion on this topic is certainly relevant for all of talk at . g From jkeen at verizon.net Thu Sep 8 14:56:56 2016 From: jkeen at verizon.net (James E Keenan) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2016 14:56:56 -0400 Subject: [talk] FreeBSD question: uname info versus svn commit versus __FreeBSD_version define Message-ID: <7212f76a-027e-6749-c0b2-3c62e314a04e@verizon.net> I am trying to determine whether a particular snapshot of FreeBSD contains code which was committed for the purpose of fixing a bug which I helped to report. https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=211743#c10 states: ##### Based on __FreeBSD_version define the fix is in: 1200004 and up 1100502 >= version < 1200000 1003507 >= version < 1100000 ##### I have installed a Virtual Box holding a FreeBSD whose 'uname -a' information is as follows: ##### FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT #0 r305028: Mon Aug 29 22:45:29 UTC 2016 root at releng3.nyi.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 ##### How can I determine whether that version of FreeBSD is recent enough to have included the code correction? Thank you very much. Jim Keenan From skreuzer at exit2shell.com Thu Sep 8 15:09:15 2016 From: skreuzer at exit2shell.com (Steven Kreuzer) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 15:09:15 -0400 Subject: [talk] FreeBSD question: uname info versus svn commit versus __FreeBSD_version define In-Reply-To: <7212f76a-027e-6749-c0b2-3c62e314a04e@verizon.net> References: <7212f76a-027e-6749-c0b2-3c62e314a04e@verizon.net> Message-ID: Hi James- > On Sep 8, 2016, at 2:56 PM, James E Keenan wrote: > > I am trying to determine whether a particular snapshot of FreeBSD contains code which was committed for the purpose of fixing a bug which I helped to report. > > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=211743#c10 states: > > ##### > Based on __FreeBSD_version define the fix is in: > 1200004 and up > 1100502 >= version < 1200000 > 1003507 >= version < 1100000 > ##### > > I have installed a Virtual Box holding a FreeBSD whose 'uname -a' information is as follows: > > ##### > FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT #0 r305028: Mon Aug 29 22:45:29 UTC 2016 root at releng3.nyi.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 > ##### > > How can I determine whether that version of FreeBSD is recent enough to have included the code correction? This info is exposed via sysctl $ sysctl -n kern.osreldate 1200005 Also, you can look at Chapter 16 in the porter's handbook that documents each value of __FreeBSD_versions going back to 2.0-RELEASE https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/porters-handbook/versions.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george at ceetonetechnology.com Thu Sep 8 15:21:07 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 15:21:07 -0400 Subject: [talk] FreeBSD question: uname info versus svn commit versus __FreeBSD_version define In-Reply-To: <7212f76a-027e-6749-c0b2-3c62e314a04e@verizon.net> References: <7212f76a-027e-6749-c0b2-3c62e314a04e@verizon.net> Message-ID: <95f10df8-2129-efff-2969-854e64127aec@ceetonetechnology.com> On 09/08/16 14:56, James E Keenan wrote: > I am trying to determine whether a particular snapshot of FreeBSD > contains code which was committed for the purpose of fixing a bug which > I helped to report. > > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=211743#c10 states: > > ##### > Based on __FreeBSD_version define the fix is in: > 1200004 and up > 1100502 >= version < 1200000 > 1003507 >= version < 1100000 > ##### > > I have installed a Virtual Box holding a FreeBSD whose 'uname -a' > information is as follows: > > ##### > FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT #0 r305028: Mon Aug 29 > 22:45:29 UTC 2016 > root at releng3.nyi.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 > ##### > > How can I determine whether that version of FreeBSD is recent enough to > have included the code correction? or in the dmesg or $ svnlite info /usr/src ... for the svn revision number, which in this case is r305028 svn info /path/to/file or browse svnweb.freebsd.org for the file and revision history. I'm sure there are other ways... which I'd be curious about. This is all internet-searchable stuff... but glad you asked here :) g From mark.saad at ymail.com Thu Sep 8 15:33:25 2016 From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 19:33:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [talk] Reccomendations for PCI-E Wireless card References: <779598036.1936849.1473363205813.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <779598036.1936849.1473363205813@mail.yahoo.com> All I am looking to get a new 11n wireless card for my FreeBSD desktop . It uses the wireless card as a AP to help repeat the wireless signal in my house. Currently I am using an AR9287 from some no-name vendor . It works but its the wrong \ size card for the new box I am building. I wanted to see if anyone had any ideas for stable card . -- Mark Saad mark.saad at ymail.com From mark.saad at ymail.com Thu Sep 8 15:34:20 2016 From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 19:34:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [talk] A pile of UFS fixes just went into FreeBSD HEAD References: <101882180.1912486.1473363260690.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <101882180.1912486.1473363260690@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Gang I was wondering if anyone has been following the recent changed to UFS commited by kib , pho and mckusick . I see some correctness fixes and some I dont understand. Anyone on top of this ? r305601 r305599 r305598 r305595 r305594 r305593 r305592 -- Mark Saad mark.saad at ymail.com From mark.saad at ymail.com Thu Sep 8 16:02:30 2016 From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 20:02:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [talk] Tedu on doas References: <337003502.1912161.1473364950061.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <337003502.1912161.1473364950061@mail.yahoo.com> All For you OpenBSD users I figured I'd re-post tedu's doas mastery. http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/doas-mastery -- Mark Saad mark.saad at ymail.com From jkeen at verizon.net Thu Sep 8 21:52:40 2016 From: jkeen at verizon.net (James E Keenan) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2016 21:52:40 -0400 Subject: [talk] FreeBSD question: uname info versus svn commit versus __FreeBSD_version define In-Reply-To: References: <7212f76a-027e-6749-c0b2-3c62e314a04e@verizon.net> Message-ID: <9e99d19e-bb27-0cab-63d9-72caf56da2d1@verizon.net> On 09/08/2016 03:09 PM, Steven Kreuzer wrote: > Hi James- > >> On Sep 8, 2016, at 2:56 PM, James E Keenan wrote: >> >> I am trying to determine whether a particular snapshot of FreeBSD contains code which was committed for the purpose of fixing a bug which I helped to report. >> >> https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=211743#c10 states: >> >> ##### >> Based on __FreeBSD_version define the fix is in: >> 1200004 and up >> 1100502 >= version < 1200000 >> 1003507 >= version < 1100000 >> ##### >> >> I have installed a Virtual Box holding a FreeBSD whose 'uname -a' information is as follows: >> >> ##### >> FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT #0 r305028: Mon Aug 29 22:45:29 UTC 2016 root at releng3.nyi.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 >> ##### >> >> How can I determine whether that version of FreeBSD is recent enough to have included the code correction? > > This info is exposed via sysctl > > $ sysctl -n kern.osreldate > 1200005 Thanks, Steven, that worked for me and enabled me to move forward. > > Also, you can look at Chapter 16 in the porter's handbook that documents each value of __FreeBSD_versions going back to 2.0-RELEASE > > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/porters-handbook/versions.html > AAMOF, the very last release listed there, 1200004, was for the bug I helped to report. I have one more, different question related to this VM installation, but I have written it up at: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/39402547/freebsd-dhclient-setting-not-retained-upon-reboot, should anyone want to take a crack at it. Thank you very much. Jim Keenan From kmsujit at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 22:03:53 2016 From: kmsujit at gmail.com (Sujit K M) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 07:33:53 +0530 Subject: [talk] Reccomendations for PCI-E Wireless card In-Reply-To: <779598036.1936849.1473363205813@mail.yahoo.com> References: <779598036.1936849.1473363205813.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <779598036.1936849.1473363205813@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 1:03 AM, Mark Saad wrote: > All > I am looking to get a new 11n wireless card for my FreeBSD desktop . It uses the wireless card as a AP to help repeat > > the wireless signal in my house. Currently I am using an AR9287 from some no-name vendor . It works but its the wrong \ > size card for the new box I am building. I wanted to see if anyone had any ideas for stable card . I quite contrary believe you should use a wireless router though I am not well versed in 11n standards. From bcallah at devio.us Thu Sep 8 22:21:55 2016 From: bcallah at devio.us (Brian Callahan) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 19:21:55 -0700 Subject: [talk] Reccomendations for PCI-E Wireless card In-Reply-To: References: <779598036.1936849.1473363205813.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <779598036.1936849.1473363205813@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <756c4fae-9523-568d-57bd-119c12c0292f@devio.us> Not really sure what you mean by "wrong size card." Also, are you talking about a full-sized PCIe card or a mini PCIe card? In my experience, the Atheros stuff is the least headache stuff out there. ~Brian On 9/8/2016 7:03 PM, Sujit K M wrote: > On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 1:03 AM, Mark Saad wrote: >> All >> I am looking to get a new 11n wireless card for my FreeBSD desktop . It uses the wireless card as a AP to help repeat >> >> the wireless signal in my house. Currently I am using an AR9287 from some no-name vendor . It works but its the wrong \ >> size card for the new box I am building. I wanted to see if anyone had any ideas for stable card . > I quite contrary believe you should use a wireless router though I am > not well versed in 11n standards. > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From kmsujit at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 22:33:44 2016 From: kmsujit at gmail.com (Sujit K M) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 08:03:44 +0530 Subject: [talk] Reccomendations for PCI-E Wireless card In-Reply-To: <756c4fae-9523-568d-57bd-119c12c0292f@devio.us> References: <779598036.1936849.1473363205813.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <779598036.1936849.1473363205813@mail.yahoo.com> <756c4fae-9523-568d-57bd-119c12c0292f@devio.us> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 7:51 AM, Brian Callahan wrote: > Not really sure what you mean by "wrong size card." Also, are you ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > talking about a full-sized PCIe card or a mini PCIe card? My take is that it some PCIe card that doesn't fit in to the slot on the FreeBSD box. Though Might be wrong. Though it could be the below one > > In my experience, the Atheros stuff is the least headache stuff out there. >From experience it is not advisable to have a AP other than a router simply because of the TCP/IP Model(Packet processing at each layer). From mark.saad at ymail.com Fri Sep 9 07:32:41 2016 From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 07:32:41 -0400 Subject: [talk] Reccomendations for PCI-E Wireless card In-Reply-To: References: <779598036.1936849.1473363205813.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <779598036.1936849.1473363205813@mail.yahoo.com> <756c4fae-9523-568d-57bd-119c12c0292f@devio.us> Message-ID: > On Sep 8, 2016, at 10:33 PM, Sujit K M wrote: > >> On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 7:51 AM, Brian Callahan wrote: >> Not really sure what you mean by "wrong size card." Also, are you > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> talking about a full-sized PCIe card or a mini PCIe card? I had a low profile desktop box with the short height pci-e slots . New box has standard slots and the card is you o short . The bracket isn't tall enough to be secured. > > My take is that it some PCIe card that doesn't fit in to the slot on the FreeBSD > box. Though Might be wrong. Though it could be the below one > >> >> In my experience, the Atheros stuff is the least headache stuff out there. Yea that's what I have seen , wasn't sure if there was a relatek or Intel tis check out . > > From experience it is not advisable to have a AP other than a router simply > because of the TCP/IP Model(Packet processing at each layer). > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From george at ceetonetechnology.com Fri Sep 9 11:20:56 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 11:20:56 -0400 Subject: [talk] curl to test http connect stats Message-ID: <8a2008b5-6797-5ce4-6e3b-67fa4e2e311c@ceetonetechnology.com> Posted on #metabug by the Scary Network Guy (Ray) and infinitely useful: https://blog.josephscott.org/2011/10/14/timing-details-with-curl/ Basically, curl can display the evidence that the slow web site is not having network issues, but more likely on the application end :) The blog post is from 2011, and there are additional -w options to tinker with that have been added since. g