From pvarga at pvrg.net  Tue Jan  3 22:32:22 2017
From: pvarga at pvrg.net (Peter Varga)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 22:32:22 -0500
Subject: [talk] oracle buys dyn.com
Message-ID: <1483500742.1243828.836658305.439A5761@webmail.messagingengine.com>

dyn.com is eiter defaced or the deal  is real.




From jkeen at verizon.net  Wed Jan  4 09:06:21 2017
From: jkeen at verizon.net (James E Keenan)
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2017 09:06:21 -0500
Subject: [talk] Is there a meeting tonight?
Message-ID: <8494366e-153b-1c0d-25b2-126694179b7e@verizon.net>

At this point, I haven't received any message from [ANNOUNCE], and the 
topic in #nycbug is unchanged from last month.

So I'm assuming no but welcome better news.

jimk



From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Wed Jan  4 09:10:00 2017
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2017 14:10:00 +0000
Subject: [talk] Is there a meeting tonight?
In-Reply-To: <8494366e-153b-1c0d-25b2-126694179b7e@verizon.net>
References: <8494366e-153b-1c0d-25b2-126694179b7e@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <ff2fe752-1fdd-5c55-f9f8-53339f73860e@ceetonetechnology.com>

James E Keenan:
> At this point, I haven't received any message from [ANNOUNCE], and the
> topic in #nycbug is unchanged from last month.
> 
> So I'm assuming no but welcome better news.

Yes... there will be a meeting.

We'll be putting out announce in a bit.

Meeting will be at LMHQ in downtown Manhattan.

Sorry for the delay on this, but details coming.

g



From viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com  Wed Jan  4 09:21:43 2017
From: viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com (Robert Menes)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 09:21:43 -0500
Subject: [talk] Is there a meeting tonight?
In-Reply-To: <ff2fe752-1fdd-5c55-f9f8-53339f73860e@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <8494366e-153b-1c0d-25b2-126694179b7e@verizon.net>
 <ff2fe752-1fdd-5c55-f9f8-53339f73860e@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <CA+TaHT0fbxMG7Y8PXJcKNFS0GsZvcJRrFFHo7yK-79hD71ftwQ@mail.gmail.com>

Crap, had I known we'd be doing an installfest, I'd have brought hardware!
:(

--Robert

On Jan 4, 2017 09:11, "George Rosamond" <george at ceetonetechnology.com>
wrote:

> James E Keenan:
> > At this point, I haven't received any message from [ANNOUNCE], and the
> > topic in #nycbug is unchanged from last month.
> >
> > So I'm assuming no but welcome better news.
>
> Yes... there will be a meeting.
>
> We'll be putting out announce in a bit.
>
> Meeting will be at LMHQ in downtown Manhattan.
>
> Sorry for the delay on this, but details coming.
>
> g
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
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From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Wed Jan  4 09:31:00 2017
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2017 14:31:00 +0000
Subject: [talk] Is there a meeting tonight?
In-Reply-To: <CA+TaHT0fbxMG7Y8PXJcKNFS0GsZvcJRrFFHo7yK-79hD71ftwQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8494366e-153b-1c0d-25b2-126694179b7e@verizon.net>
 <ff2fe752-1fdd-5c55-f9f8-53339f73860e@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <CA+TaHT0fbxMG7Y8PXJcKNFS0GsZvcJRrFFHo7yK-79hD71ftwQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d933f9e3-da09-42e3-59f0-b52efbcd4f5c@ceetonetechnology.com>

Robert Menes:
> Crap, had I known we'd be doing an installfest, I'd have brought hardware!
> :(

I'll have the MIPS-based IBM WorkPad running NetBSD.

Brian: are you bringing the iMac?

g



From viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com  Wed Jan  4 09:46:51 2017
From: viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com (Robert Menes)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 09:46:51 -0500
Subject: [talk] Is there a meeting tonight?
In-Reply-To: <CA+TaHT2vSvN1TJ-7=xC_QAZ9yuzfq4AuesDaPhX-S-P_DantAA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8494366e-153b-1c0d-25b2-126694179b7e@verizon.net>
 <ff2fe752-1fdd-5c55-f9f8-53339f73860e@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <CA+TaHT0fbxMG7Y8PXJcKNFS0GsZvcJRrFFHo7yK-79hD71ftwQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <d933f9e3-da09-42e3-59f0-b52efbcd4f5c@ceetonetechnology.com>
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Message-ID: <CA+TaHT1ZHsuhqc_df5iFO9fbiDUzbwcUmMmiFSp4Sw0XA2qBbA@mail.gmail.com>

Okay, I'll take a look at how it works on yours.

--Robert

On Jan 4, 2017 09:31, "George Rosamond" <george at ceetonetechnology.com>
wrote:

Robert Menes:
> Crap, had I known we'd be doing an installfest, I'd have brought hardware!
> :(

I'll have the MIPS-based IBM WorkPad running NetBSD.

Brian: are you bringing the iMac?

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From bcallah at devio.us  Wed Jan  4 10:06:42 2017
From: bcallah at devio.us (Brian Callahan)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 10:06:42 -0500
Subject: [talk] Is there a meeting tonight?
In-Reply-To: <d933f9e3-da09-42e3-59f0-b52efbcd4f5c@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <8494366e-153b-1c0d-25b2-126694179b7e@verizon.net>
 <ff2fe752-1fdd-5c55-f9f8-53339f73860e@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <CA+TaHT0fbxMG7Y8PXJcKNFS0GsZvcJRrFFHo7yK-79hD71ftwQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <d933f9e3-da09-42e3-59f0-b52efbcd4f5c@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <e4c60845-26c6-f0dd-df72-673b15468ebd@devio.us>



On 1/4/2017 9:31 AM, George Rosamond wrote:
> Robert Menes:
>> Crap, had I known we'd be doing an installfest, I'd have brought hardware!
>> :(
> I'll have the MIPS-based IBM WorkPad running NetBSD.
>
> Brian: are you bringing the iMac?
>
>

I really do need to give this iMac to interested people, but 
unfortunately I thought I'd be able to make it tonight but I'm not gonna 
be able to :(

~Brian



From viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com  Wed Jan  4 11:21:34 2017
From: viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com (Robert Menes)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:21:34 -0500
Subject: [talk] Is there a meeting tonight?
In-Reply-To: <e4c60845-26c6-f0dd-df72-673b15468ebd@devio.us>
References: <8494366e-153b-1c0d-25b2-126694179b7e@verizon.net>
 <ff2fe752-1fdd-5c55-f9f8-53339f73860e@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <CA+TaHT0fbxMG7Y8PXJcKNFS0GsZvcJRrFFHo7yK-79hD71ftwQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <d933f9e3-da09-42e3-59f0-b52efbcd4f5c@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <e4c60845-26c6-f0dd-df72-673b15468ebd@devio.us>
Message-ID: <CA+TaHT2acV6xHK02JWzhR7r_kYiQSVaopb7m0Wj413RBO0jdmQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'd love to see if someone has an old 68K Mac with min 68030 CPU that can
run NetBSD. :)

--Robert

On Jan 4, 2017 10:07, "Brian Callahan" <bcallah at devio.us> wrote:

>
>
> On 1/4/2017 9:31 AM, George Rosamond wrote:
>
>> Robert Menes:
>>
>>> Crap, had I known we'd be doing an installfest, I'd have brought
>>> hardware!
>>> :(
>>>
>> I'll have the MIPS-based IBM WorkPad running NetBSD.
>>
>> Brian: are you bringing the iMac?
>>
>>
>>
> I really do need to give this iMac to interested people, but unfortunately
> I thought I'd be able to make it tonight but I'm not gonna be able to :(
>
> ~Brian
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
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From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Wed Jan  4 12:31:00 2017
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2017 17:31:00 +0000
Subject: [talk] Tonight CANCELLED
Message-ID: <97a93b5e-c102-827d-35a6-8a294033c560@ceetonetechnology.com>

It's last minute, but we decided to cancel tonight's meeting.

Apologies to all.

We are finalizing the next three meetings, and will announce in the next
few days.



From pete at nomadlogic.org  Wed Jan  4 12:34:20 2017
From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 09:34:20 -0800
Subject: [talk] oracle buys dyn.com
In-Reply-To: <1483500742.1243828.836658305.439A5761@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <1483500742.1243828.836658305.439A5761@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <063eddb8-c441-185d-de99-d2855599edf1@nomadlogic.org>



On 1/3/17 7:32 PM, Peter Varga wrote:
> dyn.com is eiter defaced or the deal  is real.
>


yea it's unfortunately real, think the deal was announced in the news in 
late 2016.  too bad it's reality now.  figured it'd either be ORA or 
Cisco...not sure whose the worst in that scenario...so why not both? :)


-pete

-- 
Pete Wright
pete at nomadlogic.org
nomadlogicLA



From viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com  Wed Jan  4 20:48:11 2017
From: viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com (Robert Menes)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:48:11 -0500
Subject: [talk] Installfest hardware
Message-ID: <CA+TaHT2nNkVZCLejktfrnF3-4g84Nvzf=5_EKdMsRdN0Mu36RQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey guys,

If we do an installfest, I'm going to bring the following pieces of
hardware:

* IBM ThinkPad T42
* iBook G4
* Sega Dreamcast (with keyboard)
* Raspberry Pi 3 (with keyboard)
* IBM WorkPad Z50
* ????

I'd love to see some more eclectic pieces of hardware as well, for kicks.
If someone has an old compact Mac that can run NetBSD (something with min
68030 CPU), that would be fun to try. :)

--Robert

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From venture37 at geeklan.co.uk  Wed Jan  4 20:57:50 2017
From: venture37 at geeklan.co.uk (Sevan Janiyan)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 01:57:50 +0000
Subject: [talk] Installfest hardware
In-Reply-To: <CA+TaHT2nNkVZCLejktfrnF3-4g84Nvzf=5_EKdMsRdN0Mu36RQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+TaHT2nNkVZCLejktfrnF3-4g84Nvzf=5_EKdMsRdN0Mu36RQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <907a8532-5984-0896-fcbc-981be2efbe22@geeklan.co.uk>



On 05/01/2017 01:48, Robert Menes wrote:
> * IBM WorkPad Z50

It should be a safe bet that things will work on the 7 branch and
problematic/broken in HEAD.
Use a snapshot built from
http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-daily/netbsd-7/


Sevan



From jun at soum.co.jp  Thu Jan  5 00:11:44 2017
From: jun at soum.co.jp (Jun Ebihara)
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2017 14:11:44 +0900 (JST)
Subject: [talk] Is there a meeting tonight?
In-Reply-To: <CA+TaHT2acV6xHK02JWzhR7r_kYiQSVaopb7m0Wj413RBO0jdmQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d933f9e3-da09-42e3-59f0-b52efbcd4f5c@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <e4c60845-26c6-f0dd-df72-673b15468ebd@devio.us>
 <CA+TaHT2acV6xHK02JWzhR7r_kYiQSVaopb7m0Wj413RBO0jdmQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20170105.141144.898275441527663153.jun@soum.co.jp>

From: Robert Menes <viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [talk] Is there a meeting tonight?
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:21:34 -0500

> I'd love to see if someone has an old 68K Mac with min 68030 CPU that can
> run NetBSD. :)

XEiJ (X68000 Emulator in Java) can boot NetBSD/x68k 
http://stdkmd.com/xeij/ 

1. put http://stdkmd.com/xeij/ to  https://translate.google.com/ 
2. set Java SE 1.8.0_111 or higher.
3. download http://stdkmd.com/xeij/XEiJ_0161117.zip
4. read "Try to move the NetBSD/x68k"
  Java -jar XEiJ.jar -boot = NetBSD- x68k-7.0-img.hds -cutfc2pin = on -model = 060turbo 
5. login: root

--
Jun Ebihara



From mike+nycbug at mike-burns.com  Fri Jan  6 14:03:44 2017
From: mike+nycbug at mike-burns.com (Mike Burns)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 19:03:44 +0000
Subject: [talk] The Classical Code Reading Group: NYC Chapter
Message-ID: <20170106190343.GZ1485@safeword.mike-burns.com>

Hi all, I'd like to start organzing regular code reading events. We had
done this a few times in the past (and I did them regularly in
Stockholm) and they were appreciated.

Briefly: we read the classics. You know how everyone who has seen
Hackers knows that "they're trashing our rights!" means to look for
clues in the trashcan, and everyone who has read Marmion knows that if
someone is weaving a tangled web it means that they are telling many
lies? We're like that, but for programming. Join us as we read all the
snippets of code that we take for granted but never have the time to
read, compare, contrast, re-write, and re-imagine.

(We also exist on Meetup:
https://www.meetup.com/Classical-Code-Reading-Group-of-New-York/. I'll
post an event there after we nail down a date.)

I'm going to leave the timing up to the admins, but for the content
let's read yes.c, in all its implementations, while discussing its
history and how it fits into the greater context of our world.

I'll describe that below, but feel free to suggest other tiny commands.
They have to be tiny! cat.c is too big (!).

The yes command prints 'y', followed by a newline, forever. It can also
take arguments, which it prints forever.

We will look at (at least) the OpenBSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD, GNU, and
Illumos implementations. If you can find more, please share them!

With the many different authors and distinct cultures we will be sure to
have much to discuss and compare. Some things to think about: what are
some uses for the yes command? What errors can occur, and how are they
handled? How did GNU manage to make this program 88 lines long? How did
Illumos get this program indented by five tabs?

Just in case you don't have five copies of yes.c sitting on your hard
drive, you can find them online:

FreeBSD:
https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/usr.bin/yes/yes.c?revision=308432&view=markup

NetBSD:
http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/src/usr.bin/yes/yes.c?rev=1.8.22.1&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup

OpenBSD:
http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/usr.bin/yes/yes.c?rev=1.9&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup

GNU:
http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/coreutils.git/tree/src/yes.c

Illumos:
https://github.com/illumos/illumos-gate/blob/master/usr/src/cmd/yes/yes.c

This should all take about three hours. Food, drinks, and location can
be provided by thoughtbot (1384 Broadway, fl. 20).

-Mike



From raulcuza at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 23:27:08 2017
From: raulcuza at gmail.com (Raul Cuza)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 23:27:08 -0500
Subject: [talk] The Classical Code Reading Group: NYC Chapter
In-Reply-To: <20170106190343.GZ1485@safeword.mike-burns.com>
References: <20170106190343.GZ1485@safeword.mike-burns.com>
Message-ID: <CAOnfn2zp2uW1CDP+Cwy6Pz2AkO=TGjBgtDWFpZLccVMr5TAekQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Mike Burns <mike+nycbug at mike-burns.com> wrote:
> Hi all, I'd like to start organzing regular code reading events. We had
> done this a few times in the past (and I did them regularly in
> Stockholm) and they were appreciated.
>
> Briefly: we read the classics. You know how everyone who has seen
> Hackers knows that "they're trashing our rights!" means to look for
> clues in the trashcan, and everyone who has read Marmion knows that if
> someone is weaving a tangled web it means that they are telling many
> lies? We're like that, but for programming. Join us as we read all the
> snippets of code that we take for granted but never have the time to
> read, compare, contrast, re-write, and re-imagine.
>
> (We also exist on Meetup:
> https://www.meetup.com/Classical-Code-Reading-Group-of-New-York/. I'll
> post an event there after we nail down a date.)
>
> I'm going to leave the timing up to the admins, but for the content
> let's read yes.c, in all its implementations, while discussing its
> history and how it fits into the greater context of our world.
>
> I'll describe that below, but feel free to suggest other tiny commands.
> They have to be tiny! cat.c is too big (!).
>
> The yes command prints 'y', followed by a newline, forever. It can also
> take arguments, which it prints forever.
>
> We will look at (at least) the OpenBSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD, GNU, and
> Illumos implementations. If you can find more, please share them!
>
> With the many different authors and distinct cultures we will be sure to
> have much to discuss and compare. Some things to think about: what are
> some uses for the yes command? What errors can occur, and how are they
> handled? How did GNU manage to make this program 88 lines long? How did
> Illumos get this program indented by five tabs?
>
> Just in case you don't have five copies of yes.c sitting on your hard
> drive, you can find them online:
>
> FreeBSD:
> https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/usr.bin/yes/yes.c?revision=308432&view=markup
>
> NetBSD:
> http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/src/usr.bin/yes/yes.c?rev=1.8.22.1&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup
>
> OpenBSD:
> http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/usr.bin/yes/yes.c?rev=1.9&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup
>
> GNU:
> http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/coreutils.git/tree/src/yes.c
>
> Illumos:
> https://github.com/illumos/illumos-gate/blob/master/usr/src/cmd/yes/yes.c
>
> This should all take about three hours. Food, drinks, and location can
> be provided by thoughtbot (1384 Broadway, fl. 20).
>
> -Mike
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk


I was at the `true` code reading in 2015 [
http://www.nycbug.org/index.cgi?action=view&id=10635 ]

It would be fun to pick apart another utility. Have you picked any dates?

Ra?l



From venture37 at geeklan.co.uk  Wed Jan 11 23:51:58 2017
From: venture37 at geeklan.co.uk (Sevan Janiyan)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 04:51:58 +0000
Subject: [talk] Installfest hardware
In-Reply-To: <907a8532-5984-0896-fcbc-981be2efbe22@geeklan.co.uk>
References: <CA+TaHT2nNkVZCLejktfrnF3-4g84Nvzf=5_EKdMsRdN0Mu36RQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <907a8532-5984-0896-fcbc-981be2efbe22@geeklan.co.uk>
Message-ID: <47389248-60d9-74d1-bc9b-0a2500a62986@geeklan.co.uk>



On 05/01/2017 01:57, Sevan Janiyan wrote:
> 
> On 05/01/2017 01:48, Robert Menes wrote:
>> * IBM WorkPad Z50
> It should be a safe bet that things will work on the 7 branch and
> problematic/broken in HEAD.
> Use a snapshot built from
> http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-daily/netbsd-7/

Or just use the latest images Jun has built & save some work.
http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-hpcmips/2017/01/09/msg000301.html


Sevan



From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Thu Jan 12 12:36:00 2017
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 17:36:00 +0000
Subject: [talk] Installfest hardware
In-Reply-To: <47389248-60d9-74d1-bc9b-0a2500a62986@geeklan.co.uk>
References: <CA+TaHT2nNkVZCLejktfrnF3-4g84Nvzf=5_EKdMsRdN0Mu36RQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <907a8532-5984-0896-fcbc-981be2efbe22@geeklan.co.uk>
 <47389248-60d9-74d1-bc9b-0a2500a62986@geeklan.co.uk>
Message-ID: <e2797023-1bad-0ec9-eb5e-2104fcb23c97@ceetonetechnology.com>

Sevan Janiyan:
> 
> 
> On 05/01/2017 01:57, Sevan Janiyan wrote:
>>
>> On 05/01/2017 01:48, Robert Menes wrote:
>>> * IBM WorkPad Z50
>> It should be a safe bet that things will work on the 7 branch and
>> problematic/broken in HEAD.
>> Use a snapshot built from
>> http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-daily/netbsd-7/
> 
> Or just use the latest images Jun has built & save some work.
> http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-hpcmips/2017/01/09/msg000301.html

Cool.  A new image.

I was cross-compiling on an old i386 box, but hit a roadblock, and
didn't get back to it.

Hoping there's support for rtw(4) or re(4) wireless PCMCIA cards...

g



From venture37 at geeklan.co.uk  Thu Jan 12 14:49:33 2017
From: venture37 at geeklan.co.uk (Sevan Janiyan)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 19:49:33 +0000
Subject: [talk] Installfest hardware
In-Reply-To: <e2797023-1bad-0ec9-eb5e-2104fcb23c97@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <CA+TaHT2nNkVZCLejktfrnF3-4g84Nvzf=5_EKdMsRdN0Mu36RQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 <e2797023-1bad-0ec9-eb5e-2104fcb23c97@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <4bd3e8d3-ab6f-86d2-22be-dd521a195ffa@geeklan.co.uk>

On 12/01/2017 17:36, George Rosamond wrote:
> Hoping there's support for rtw(4) or re(4) wireless PCMCIA cards...

Unlikely that'll happen, the bridge is PCMCIA (ISA in a card form 
factor), the newer cards with a gold tip are Cardbus (PCI in a card form 
factor).

You'll have to settle on wi(4), an(4), rye(4) and ne(4) among some 
others e.g CF cards in PCMICA adapters. Our best bet is to modernise 
wi(4) to add WPA support, everything will be great then.


Sevan



From mcevoy.pat at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 11:12:37 2017
From: mcevoy.pat at gmail.com (Patrick McEvoy)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 11:12:37 -0500
Subject: [talk] SEMIBUG Streaming the Craig Maloney -- Ansible meeting
 tonight:
Message-ID: <587E4275.5060102@gmail.com>

The Southeast Michigan BSD User Group has agreed to stream the the Craig
Maloney -- Ansible meeting tonight:

http://www.semibug.org/

You already know the streaming link:

http://www.nycbug.org/index.cgi?action=streaming




From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Wed Jan 18 09:27:00 2017
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 14:27:00 +0000
Subject: [talk] BSDCan 2017 CFP
Message-ID: <b2ee1c1f-c52d-11e2-82d1-381a92c3c2a6@ceetonetechnology.com>

BSDCan 2017 will be held 9-10 (Fri-Sat) June, 2017 in Ottawa,
at the University of Ottawa. It will be preceded by two
days of tutorials on 7-8 June (Wed-Thu).

Also: do not miss out on the Goat BOF on Tuesday 6 June.

We are now accepting proposals for talks.

The talks should be designed with a very strong technical content bias.
Proposals of a business development or marketing nature are not
appropriate for this venue.

See http://www.bsdcan.org/2017/ <http://www.bsdcan.org/2017/>


If you are doing something interesting with a BSD operating system,
please submit a proposal. Whether you are developing a very complex
system using BSD as the foundation, or helping others and have a story
to tell about how BSD played a role, we want to hear about your
experience.  People using BSD as a platform for research are also
encouraged to submit a proposal. Possible topics include:

* How we manage a giant installation with respect to handling spam.
* and/or sysadmin.
* and/or networking.
* Cool new stuff in BSD
* Tell us about your project which runs on BSD
* other topics (see next paragraph)

>From the BSDCan website, the Archives section will allow you to review
the wide variety of past BSDCan presentations as further examples.

Both users and developers are encouraged to share their experiences.

The schedule is:

1 Dec 2016 Proposal acceptance begins
19 Jan 2017 Proposal acceptance ends
19 Feb 2017 Confirmation of accepted proposals

See also <http://www.bsdcan.org/2017/papers.php
<http://www.bsdcan.org/2017/papers.php>>

Instructions for submitting a proposal to BSDCan 2017 are available
from: <http://www.bsdcan.org/2017/submissions.php
<http://www.bsdcan.org/2017/submissions.php>>



From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Wed Jan 25 08:33:00 2017
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 13:33:00 +0000
Subject: [talk] NYC*BUG Upcoming: OS: the underlying overhead of computation
Message-ID: <6e10b4db-91fd-e831-2d18-257e99c77521@ceetonetechnology.com>

March 1, 645 PM
Suspenders Restaurant
2nd Floor
108 Greenwich Street by Rector Street
Manhattan

OS : The underlying overhead of computation

An operating system is a piece of code intended to help computer
operators load punch cards -- hence "operating".  The timesharing system
was created to allow interactive shared access to the handful of
computers which existed at the time.  We will examine what is in the
interactive punch card loader in 2017, what actually belongs in there,
and why things are the way they are.  Like science, the talk is highly
religious.  Unlike computer science, the talk is grounded in reality.
Discussions, heretical opinions, and questions are encouraged.

Bio

Antti Kantee has been a NetBSD committer since the 1900's and has
managed to do many sorts of damage.  He is probably best (or worst,
depending on who you ask) known for his decade-long workhaul on rump
kernels.  Antti very recently moved to the Princeton area, so in case he
appears particularly absent during his talk, he got lost on the way to
the venue.



From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Wed Jan 25 11:09:00 2017
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 16:09:00 +0000
Subject: [talk] NYC*BUG Upcoming: OS: the underlying overhead of
 computation
In-Reply-To: <6e10b4db-91fd-e831-2d18-257e99c77521@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <6e10b4db-91fd-e831-2d18-257e99c77521@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <460bf1aa-014e-a336-91ed-e0d72c79b646@ceetonetechnology.com>

George Rosamond:
> March 1, 645 PM

That's Feb 1.  Bug bounty goes to Jan S :)

> Suspenders Restaurant
> 2nd Floor
> 108 Greenwich Street by Rector Street
> Manhattan
> 
> OS : The underlying overhead of computation
> 
> An operating system is a piece of code intended to help computer
> operators load punch cards -- hence "operating".  The timesharing system
> was created to allow interactive shared access to the handful of
> computers which existed at the time.  We will examine what is in the
> interactive punch card loader in 2017, what actually belongs in there,
> and why things are the way they are.  Like science, the talk is highly
> religious.  Unlike computer science, the talk is grounded in reality.
> Discussions, heretical opinions, and questions are encouraged.
> 
> Bio
> 
> Antti Kantee has been a NetBSD committer since the 1900's and has
> managed to do many sorts of damage.  He is probably best (or worst,
> depending on who you ask) known for his decade-long workhaul on rump
> kernels.  Antti very recently moved to the Princeton area, so in case he
> appears particularly absent during his talk, he got lost on the way to
> the venue.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 



From arielsanchezmora at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 12:41:58 2017
From: arielsanchezmora at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ariel_S=C3=A1nchez?=)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 12:41:58 -0500
Subject: [talk] [announce] NYC*BUG Upcoming: OS: the underlying overhead
 of computation
In-Reply-To: <mailman.641.1485351201.15159.announce@lists.nycbug.org>
References: <mailman.641.1485351201.15159.announce@lists.nycbug.org>
Message-ID: <CADN2GVt07kB7VuHQv1ZJ+b2Gn7jsv377H=+50F=XYeowv_fchg@mail.gmail.com>

from [talk] in case anyone is only subscribed to this one, it's next
Wednesday!

Geroge: That's Feb 1.  Bug bounty goes to Jan S :)

Ariel Sanchez Mora

"The best way out is always through."*?Robert Frost*

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 8:33 AM, NYC*BUG Announcements <
announce at lists.nycbug.org> wrote:

> March 1, 645 PM
> Suspenders Restaurant
> 2nd Floor
> 108 Greenwich Street by Rector Street
> Manhattan
>
> OS : The underlying overhead of computation
>
> An operating system is a piece of code intended to help computer
> operators load punch cards -- hence "operating".  The timesharing system
> was created to allow interactive shared access to the handful of
> computers which existed at the time.  We will examine what is in the
> interactive punch card loader in 2017, what actually belongs in there,
> and why things are the way they are.  Like science, the talk is highly
> religious.  Unlike computer science, the talk is grounded in reality.
> Discussions, heretical opinions, and questions are encouraged.
>
> Bio
>
> Antti Kantee has been a NetBSD committer since the 1900's and has
> managed to do many sorts of damage.  He is probably best (or worst,
> depending on who you ask) known for his decade-long workhaul on rump
> kernels.  Antti very recently moved to the Princeton area, so in case he
> appears particularly absent during his talk, he got lost on the way to
> the venue.
>
> _______________________________________________
> announce mailing list
> announce at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/announce
>
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From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Mon Jan 30 12:51:00 2017
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 17:51:00 +0000
Subject: [talk] NYC*BUG Wednesday: OS the underlying overhead of computation
Message-ID: <bb13d46a-7d7a-0fca-492c-6623b93c9c05@ceetonetechnology.com>

Other upcoming:

AsiaBSDCon (.org) March 9-12, Tokyo, Japan
BSDCan (.org) Jun 9-10, Ottawa, Canada
EuroBSDCon (.org) September 21-24, Paris, France

****

February 1, Wednesday
OS : The underlying overhead of computation
Antti Kantee
18:45, Suspenders, 103 Greenwich Street, 2nd Floor, Manhattan
Notice: Location Change

Abstract

An operating system is a piece of code intended to help computer
operators load punch cards -- hence "operating". The timesharing system
was created to allow interactive shared access to the handful of
computers which existed at the time. We will examine what is in the
interactive punch card loader in 2017, what actually belongs in there,
and why things are the way they are. Like science, the talk is highly
religious. Unlike computer science, the talk is grounded in reality.
Discussions, heretical opinions, and questions are encouraged.

Speaker Bio

Antti Kantee has been a NetBSD committer since the 1900's and has
managed to do many sorts of damage. He is probably best (or worst,
depending on who you ask) known for his decade-long workhaul on rump
kernels. Antti very recently moved to the Princeton area, so in case he
appears particularly absent during his talk, he got lost on the way to
the venue.



From viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com  Mon Jan 30 13:43:03 2017
From: viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com (Robert Menes)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 13:43:03 -0500
Subject: [talk] NYC*BUG Wednesday: OS the underlying overhead of
 computation
In-Reply-To: <bb13d46a-7d7a-0fca-492c-6623b93c9c05@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <bb13d46a-7d7a-0fca-492c-6623b93c9c05@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <CA+TaHT1ouRDiJ6jLrs719iAVxWPGS6aH-rWY_hZEL3eS2dcYCw@mail.gmail.com>

I won't be able to make it to this meetup. Will it be recorded for
posterity?

--Robert

On Jan 30, 2017 12:53 PM, "George Rosamond" <george at ceetonetechnology.com>
wrote:

> Other upcoming:
>
> AsiaBSDCon (.org) March 9-12, Tokyo, Japan
> BSDCan (.org) Jun 9-10, Ottawa, Canada
> EuroBSDCon (.org) September 21-24, Paris, France
>
> ****
>
> February 1, Wednesday
> OS : The underlying overhead of computation
> Antti Kantee
> 18:45, Suspenders, 103 Greenwich Street, 2nd Floor, Manhattan
> Notice: Location Change
>
> Abstract
>
> An operating system is a piece of code intended to help computer
> operators load punch cards -- hence "operating". The timesharing system
> was created to allow interactive shared access to the handful of
> computers which existed at the time. We will examine what is in the
> interactive punch card loader in 2017, what actually belongs in there,
> and why things are the way they are. Like science, the talk is highly
> religious. Unlike computer science, the talk is grounded in reality.
> Discussions, heretical opinions, and questions are encouraged.
>
> Speaker Bio
>
> Antti Kantee has been a NetBSD committer since the 1900's and has
> managed to do many sorts of damage. He is probably best (or worst,
> depending on who you ask) known for his decade-long workhaul on rump
> kernels. Antti very recently moved to the Princeton area, so in case he
> appears particularly absent during his talk, he got lost on the way to
> the venue.
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
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From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Mon Jan 30 13:47:00 2017
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 18:47:00 +0000
Subject: [talk] NYC*BUG Wednesday: OS the underlying overhead of
 computation
In-Reply-To: <CA+TaHT1ouRDiJ6jLrs719iAVxWPGS6aH-rWY_hZEL3eS2dcYCw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bb13d46a-7d7a-0fca-492c-6623b93c9c05@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <CA+TaHT1ouRDiJ6jLrs719iAVxWPGS6aH-rWY_hZEL3eS2dcYCw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e8e48063-055d-25c6-cae4-001778fae18b@ceetonetechnology.com>

Robert Menes:
> I won't be able to make it to this meetup. Will it be recorded for
> posterity?

not sure if Patrick will be there...

If not, we'll try to get someone to record, as long as it's ok with the
speaker.

g



From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Mon Jan 30 14:18:00 2017
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 19:18:00 +0000
Subject: [talk] NYC*BUG Wednesday: OS the underlying overhead of
 computation
In-Reply-To: <887aaeae-33c3-161c-9620-461584547875@iki.fi>
References: <bb13d46a-7d7a-0fca-492c-6623b93c9c05@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <CA+TaHT1ouRDiJ6jLrs719iAVxWPGS6aH-rWY_hZEL3eS2dcYCw@mail.gmail.com>
 <e8e48063-055d-25c6-cae4-001778fae18b@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <887aaeae-33c3-161c-9620-461584547875@iki.fi>
Message-ID: <e795e701-c4a1-2a63-2c5a-2296576e9b43@ceetonetechnology.com>

Antti Kantee:
> On 30/01/17 18:47, George Rosamond wrote:
>> Robert Menes:
>>> I won't be able to make it to this meetup. Will it be recorded for
>>> posterity?
>>
>> not sure if Patrick will be there...
>>
>> If not, we'll try to get someone to record, as long as it's ok with the
>> speaker.
> 
> Assuming that was a question: ok with me.

cool :)

Yes.. the speaker was bcc'd

g



From mcevoy.pat at gmail.com  Mon Jan 30 15:51:30 2017
From: mcevoy.pat at gmail.com (Pat McEvoy)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 15:51:30 -0500
Subject: [talk] NYC*BUG Wednesday: OS the underlying overhead of
 computation
In-Reply-To: <e795e701-c4a1-2a63-2c5a-2296576e9b43@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <bb13d46a-7d7a-0fca-492c-6623b93c9c05@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <CA+TaHT1ouRDiJ6jLrs719iAVxWPGS6aH-rWY_hZEL3eS2dcYCw@mail.gmail.com>
 <e8e48063-055d-25c6-cae4-001778fae18b@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <887aaeae-33c3-161c-9620-461584547875@iki.fi>
 <e795e701-c4a1-2a63-2c5a-2296576e9b43@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <6E2D54E1-ECC5-4D04-A753-BF05261C4BFE@gmail.com>

I plan to be there and would like to stream/record please. Related: does the new Suspenders have a projector? Also, Anti, what external video ports do you have on your presentation laptop please?
Thank you. 
P

Patrick McEvoy


> On Jan 30, 2017, at 2:18 PM, George Rosamond <george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote:
> 
> Antti Kantee:
>>> On 30/01/17 18:47, George Rosamond wrote:
>>> Robert Menes:
>>>> I won't be able to make it to this meetup. Will it be recorded for
>>>> posterity?
>>> 
>>> not sure if Patrick will be there...
>>> 
>>> If not, we'll try to get someone to record, as long as it's ok with the
>>> speaker.
>> 
>> Assuming that was a question: ok with me.
> 
> cool :)
> 
> Yes.. the speaker was bcc'd
> 
> g
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Mon Jan 30 15:52:00 2017
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 20:52:00 +0000
Subject: [talk] NYC*BUG Wednesday: OS the underlying overhead of
 computation
In-Reply-To: <6E2D54E1-ECC5-4D04-A753-BF05261C4BFE@gmail.com>
References: <bb13d46a-7d7a-0fca-492c-6623b93c9c05@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <CA+TaHT1ouRDiJ6jLrs719iAVxWPGS6aH-rWY_hZEL3eS2dcYCw@mail.gmail.com>
 <e8e48063-055d-25c6-cae4-001778fae18b@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <887aaeae-33c3-161c-9620-461584547875@iki.fi>
 <e795e701-c4a1-2a63-2c5a-2296576e9b43@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <6E2D54E1-ECC5-4D04-A753-BF05261C4BFE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6b89e053-22b7-95f7-e035-28c124b07be5@ceetonetechnology.com>

Pat McEvoy:
> I plan to be there and would like to stream/record please. Related: does the new Suspenders have a projector? Also, Anti, what external video ports do you have on your presentation laptop please?
> Thank you. 

Cool.

AFAIK he's not using slides...

g