From briancoca+nycbug at gmail.com Tue Jul 10 08:28:33 2018 From: briancoca+nycbug at gmail.com (Brian Coca) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 08:28:33 -0400 Subject: [talk] PGP vuln coming In-Reply-To: <20180514154700.GB2380@scott1.scottro.net> References: <63537f07-eb7b-bb11-d022-21262bd938ca@ceetonetechnology.com> <20180514135718.acyz4rd7dzl627qc@mutt-hbsd> <20180514154700.GB2380@scott1.scottro.net> Message-ID: Those of us that prefer 'plain text' are a minority, but I firmly believe we are the ones using email 'right'. There are occasions in which html/rtf/rich email is warranted, but that should be the exception, not the rule. ---------------- Brian Coca From mirimir at riseup.net Tue Jul 10 21:27:05 2018 From: mirimir at riseup.net (Mirimir) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 18:27:05 -0700 Subject: [talk] PGP vuln coming In-Reply-To: References: <63537f07-eb7b-bb11-d022-21262bd938ca@ceetonetechnology.com> <20180514135718.acyz4rd7dzl627qc@mutt-hbsd> <20180514154700.GB2380@scott1.scottro.net> Message-ID: <6e9a171e-cb64-4b85-d687-159e45165928@riseup.net> On 07/10/2018 05:28 AM, Brian Coca wrote: > Those of us that prefer 'plain text' are a minority, but I firmly > believe we are the ones using email 'right'. > > There are occasions in which html/rtf/rich email is warranted, but > that should be the exception, not the rule. > > ---------------- > Brian Coca Restricting to plain text, and not accessing remote resources, also protects against tracking pixels. If someone wants you to see a web page, they can send a link. From kmsujit at gmail.com Sun Jul 15 10:15:46 2018 From: kmsujit at gmail.com (Sujit K M) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 19:45:46 +0530 Subject: [talk] Statics In Object Oriented Programming Message-ID: I might heavily on Java. But don't understand what a field in Object is present in sub class why does it create two variables(one in sub class and other in parent class). How about changing them to static would it give a compiler. I am more interested in Python and C++. How does memory management work in these languages. From pvarga at pvrg.net Sun Jul 15 21:39:43 2018 From: pvarga at pvrg.net (Peter Varga) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 01:39:43 +0000 Subject: [talk] Statics In Object Oriented Programming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1531705183.3337035.1441701256.5F907B3A@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018, at 14:15, Sujit K M wrote: > I might heavily on Java. But don't understand what a field in > Object is> present in sub class why does it create two variables(one in sub > class and> other in parent class). How about changing them to static would > it give a> compiler. I am more interested in Python and C++. How does memory > management work in these languages. > > This question is pretty good, yet needs more details, work to be complete. So let me attempt a start.Mostly: Python has a runtime, Java runs in a VM, C++ is compiles. So can (c++|python|java) be compiled or run in a VM or have a runtime? This is CompSci with enough thinking, engineering, and (necessary,bloat) code a lot can be done. My advice is just to start with one of these to investigate the ?static in object oriented languages? and let the language definition be observed. _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kmsujit at gmail.com Sun Jul 15 22:14:06 2018 From: kmsujit at gmail.com (Sujit K M) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 07:44:06 +0530 Subject: [talk] Statics In Object Oriented Programming In-Reply-To: <1531705183.3337035.1441701256.5F907B3A@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1531705183.3337035.1441701256.5F907B3A@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jul 16, 2018, 7:26 AM Peter Varga wrote: > > > > On Sun, Jul 15, 2018, at 14:15, Sujit K M wrote: > > I might heavily on Java. But don't understand what a field in Object is > > present in sub class why does it create two variables(one in sub class > and > > other in parent class). How about changing them to static would it give a > > compiler. I am more interested in Python and C++. How does memory > > management work in these languages. > > > > > > This question is pretty good, yet needs more details, work to be complete. > So let me attempt a start. > Mostly: Python has a runtime, Java runs in a VM, C++ is compiles. > > So can (c++|python|java) be compiled or run in a VM or have a runtime? > > This is CompSci with enough thinking, engineering, and (necessary,bloat) > code a lot can be done. > > My advice is just to start with one of these to investigate the ?static in > object oriented languages? and let the language definition be observed. > > I am referring in c++ terms a smart pointer. I don't think we need a VM or runtime to do the same. > _______________________________________________ > > talk mailing list > > talk at lists.nycbug.org > > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pvarga at pvrg.net Sun Jul 15 23:11:45 2018 From: pvarga at pvrg.net (Peter Varga) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 03:11:45 +0000 Subject: [talk] Statics In Object Oriented Programming In-Reply-To: References: <1531705183.3337035.1441701256.5F907B3A@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1531710705.3369146.1441760096.1CA9E203@webmail.messagingengine.com> This question is answered by the language. On Mon, Jul 16, 2018, at 02:14, Sujit K M wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 16, 2018, 7:26 AM Peter Varga wrote: >> __ >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018, at 14:15, Sujit K M wrote: >> > I might heavily on Java. But don't understand what a field in >> > Object is>> > present in sub class why does it create two variables(one in sub >> > class and>> > other in parent class). How about changing them to static would it >> > give a>> > compiler. I am more interested in Python and C++. How does memory >> > management work in these languages. >> > >> > >> >> This question is pretty good, yet needs more details, work to be >> complete. So let me attempt a start.>> Mostly: Python has a runtime, Java runs in a VM, C++ is compiles. >> >> So can (c++|python|java) be compiled or run in a VM or have a >> runtime?>> >> This is CompSci with enough thinking, engineering, and >> (necessary,bloat) code a lot can be done.>> >> My advice is just to start with one of these to investigate the >> ?static in object oriented languages? and let the language definition >> be observed.>> >> > > I am referring in c++ terms a smart pointer. I don't think we need a > VM or runtime to do the same.>> _______________________________________________ >> > talk mailing list >> > talk at lists.nycbug.org >> > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >> >> _______________________________________________ >> talk mailing list >> talk at lists.nycbug.org >> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > _________________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spork at bway.net Sun Jul 22 15:27:42 2018 From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2018 15:27:42 -0400 Subject: [talk] OT: tiny/giant pfsense/opnsense box Message-ID: <938B9F51-3547-4C8F-87E0-A3A9A1587A86@bway.net> Hi all, I know small hardware for pfsense/opnsense/firewall of choice comes up every now and then here? I was shopping around for an unlock key for supermicro extended KVM features and found this store, and got curious about their Supermicro ?compact server? section. First, I saw just a ton of small stuff that I didn?t know Supermicro even made, some at prices competitive to the no-name mini-itx systems: http://www.wiredzone.com/servers-compact-embedded-processor But this monster, look at this thing: http://www.wiredzone.com/supermicro-servers-compact-embedded-processor-sys-e300-8d-10026325 https://www.supermicro.com/products/system/Mini-ITX/SYS-E300-8D.cfm 2x 10gb/s ethernet, 6x 1Gb/s ethernet, and room for more. Includes IPMI/IP-KVM and processor (add drive and RAM). Under $700. Just thought I?d share, I know there are supermicro fans here and I had no idea SM made these tiny boxes. Charles -- Charles Sprickman NetEng/SysAdmin Bway.net - New York's Best Internet www.bway.net spork at bway.net - 212.655.9344 From jim at netgate.com Sun Jul 22 15:56:09 2018 From: jim at netgate.com (Jim Thompson) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2018 14:56:09 -0500 Subject: [talk] OT: tiny/giant pfsense/opnsense box In-Reply-To: <938B9F51-3547-4C8F-87E0-A3A9A1587A86@bway.net> References: <938B9F51-3547-4C8F-87E0-A3A9A1587A86@bway.net> Message-ID: <481BE330-A6E4-4D2D-8151-A3A5C3F8806E@netgate.com> > But this monster, look at this thing: > > http://www.wiredzone.com/supermicro-servers-compact-embedded-processor-sys-e300-8d-10026325 > https://www.supermicro.com/products/system/Mini-ITX/SYS-E300-8D.cfm > > 2x 10gb/s ethernet, 6x 1Gb/s ethernet, and room for more. Includes IPMI/IP-KVM and processor (add drive and RAM). Under $700. I had one on my desk until I handed it to one of our engineers to address this issue: https://redmine.pfsense.org/issues/8618 and https://forum.netgate.com/topic/132529/2-4-4-possible-bug-with-intel-c3858-and-interface-auto-detection-on-10gb-interfaces FreeBSD buildworld times are respectable. Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spork at bway.net Sun Jul 22 17:19:03 2018 From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2018 17:19:03 -0400 Subject: [talk] OT: tiny/giant pfsense/opnsense box In-Reply-To: <481BE330-A6E4-4D2D-8151-A3A5C3F8806E@netgate.com> References: <938B9F51-3547-4C8F-87E0-A3A9A1587A86@bway.net> <481BE330-A6E4-4D2D-8151-A3A5C3F8806E@netgate.com> Message-ID: <4C8BB56D-A4A1-4EFC-B531-3188E212B31E@bway.net> > On Jul 22, 2018, at 3:56 PM, Jim Thompson wrote: > > >> But this monster, look at this thing: >> >> http://www.wiredzone.com/supermicro-servers-compact-embedded-processor-sys-e300-8d-10026325 >> https://www.supermicro.com/products/system/Mini-ITX/SYS-E300-8D.cfm >> >> 2x 10gb/s ethernet, 6x 1Gb/s ethernet, and room for more. Includes IPMI/IP-KVM and processor (add drive and RAM). Under $700. > > I had one on my desk until I handed it to one of our engineers to address this issue: > > https://redmine.pfsense.org/issues/8618 Hmmm? I have a pair of ?full size? supermicro servers, I need to check what chipset they use for the 10Gb interfaces as they have some odd behavior that sounds similar to this. I just updated to 11.2, I?ll see if they still present the same issue and confirm the chipset. > > and > > https://forum.netgate.com/topic/132529/2-4-4-possible-bug-with-intel-c3858-and-interface-auto-detection-on-10gb-interfaces > > FreeBSD buildworld times are respectable. > > Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamex1642 at gmail.com Sun Jul 22 21:01:13 2018 From: jamex1642 at gmail.com (James) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2018 22:31:13 -0230 Subject: [talk] three way handshake variants Message-ID: Hi, Happy summer ! Just reading through parts of this: https://nmap.org/misc/split-handshake.pdf Might be old news to some, the paper is dated 2010, but I've never heard of the 4 step handshake. The technique is interesting; Split the syn/ack packet into two responses. Cheers, J From wcblawoffices at gmail.com Thu Jul 26 17:25:40 2018 From: wcblawoffices at gmail.com (William Brown) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 17:25:40 -0400 Subject: [talk] talk Digest, Vol 171, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Who here is communicating with Pat McEvoy? Thanks. William - manager w: traderbrokerage.com On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 12:00 PM, wrote: > Send talk mailing list submissions to > talk at lists.nycbug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > talk-request at lists.nycbug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > talk-owner at lists.nycbug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of talk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Using separate users for different programs (Pat McEvoy) > 2. Re: Using separate users for different programs (Matthew Story) > 3. Re: Using separate users for different programs (Thomas Levine) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2018 10:29:57 -0400 > From: Pat McEvoy > To: Thomas Levine <_ at thomaslevine.com> > Cc: talk at lists.nycbug.org > Subject: Re: [talk] Using separate users for different programs > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > > > On Mar 30, 2018, at 4:05 PM, Thomas Levine <_ at thomaslevine.com> wrote: > > > > Thomas Levine writes: > >> Thomas Levine writes: > >>> Then I suppose I will write my own. > >>> Maybe I'll report in a few months if I wind up using it. > >>> https://thomaslevine.com/scm/subdo > >> > >> I surprisingly find myself using it after just a few days. I hav > >> e > >> already ported the most worrysome of the softwares that I use of > >> ten, > >> and the ports have all been very short. > >> > >> I see no future talks scheduled; would anyone like to hear about > >> this > >> in April? > > > > Since we still don't have an April meeting, I reiterate my proposal > > to discuss my privilege separation methodology. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > talk mailing list > > talk at lists.nycbug.org > > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > Re: meeting: > I have some streaming stuff I would like to practice with so I am game. If > we are doing our customary first Wednesday I would need to know by this > evening so I have all the gear with me tomorrow. Hope everyone is well. > P > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2018 11:37:17 -0400 > From: Matthew Story > To: Thomas Levine <_ at thomaslevine.com> > Cc: talk > Subject: Re: [talk] Using separate users for different programs > Message-ID: > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 12:18 AM, Thomas Levine <_ at thomaslevine.com> > wrote: > > > Then I suppose I will write my own. > > Maybe I'll report in a few months if I wind up using it. > > https://thomaslevine.com/scm/subdo > > > > _______________________________________________ > > talk mailing list > > talk at lists.nycbug.org > > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > > > > Isn't it simpler to just install to a user-specific hier and then use the > setuid bit on the binary and set the owner to the de-escalated owner? > > -- > regards, > matt > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: 20180403/a8a3ddbf/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2018 15:45:18 +0000 > From: Thomas Levine <_ at thomaslevine.com> > To: Matthew Story > Cc: talk > Subject: Re: [talk] Using separate users for different programs > Message-ID: <20180403154519.3EE46E50A1 at mailuser.nyi.internal> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Perhaps I should note that this would be an awefully short presentation > that would likely move quickly to discussion; I just presented it at > LibrePlanet and managed to fill only like one or two of my allotted > five minutes. The discussion is entirely the reason why I want > to present it, as I still don't understand why I have not seen something > like subdo before. > > Matthew Story writes: > > Isn't it simpler to just install to a user-specific hier and the > > n use the > > setuid bit on the binary and set the owner to the de-escalated o > > wner? > I thought it should be, but apparently not. > I really hope that I'm missing something though. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > > ------------------------------ > > End of talk Digest, Vol 171, Issue 1 > ************************************ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark.saad at ymail.com Fri Jul 27 20:56:16 2018 From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 20:56:16 -0400 Subject: [talk] Bye bye twc/ spectrum? Message-ID: All Is this true , the verge is reporting that nys is going to kick charter out of nys for failing to comply with the requirements of the twc , spectrum, charter merger . https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/27/17622846/spectrum-charter-cable-internet-new-york-kicked-out --- Mark Saad | mark.saad at ymail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pvarga at pvrg.net Fri Jul 27 23:09:02 2018 From: pvarga at pvrg.net (Peter Varga) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2018 03:09:02 +0000 Subject: [talk] Bye bye twc/ spectrum? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1532747342.3981892.1455505432.6C6DB602@webmail.messagingengine.com> Yes. No problems or worry we are tough and our children be fine brooklinites. They will figure it out good. Just like you did. Hey let?s put some wisdom to that. On Sat, Jul 28, 2018, at 00:56, Mark Saad wrote: > > All > Is this true , the verge is reporting that nys is going to kick > charter out of nys for failing to comply with the requirements of > the twc , spectrum, charter merger .> > https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/27/17622846/spectrum-charter-cable-internet-new-york-kicked-out> > --- > Mark Saad | mark.saad at ymail.com > _________________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jdrews at gmx.com Fri Jul 27 23:19:52 2018 From: jdrews at gmx.com (Jonathan Drews) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 21:19:52 -0600 Subject: [talk] Bye bye twc/ spectrum? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20180728031952.GA36898@LeoCat.my.domain> On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 08:56:16PM -0400, Mark Saad wrote: > > All > Is this true , the verge is reporting that nys is going to kick charter out of nys for failing to comply with the requirements of the twc , spectrum, charter merger . > > https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/27/17622846/spectrum-charter-cable-internet-new-york-kicked-out > > --- > Mark Saad | mark.saad at ymail.com It looks like it is true. Slate has an article on it: https://amp.slate.com/technology/2018/07/spectrum-forced-to-leave-new-york-after-failing-to-meet-the-terms-of-its-2016-merger-with-time-warner.html The part that caught my eye was: The company provides internet, cable, and phone services to more than *2* *million* customers in New York. Apart from banning Spectrum from New York, the commission is also fining the company $3 million. There are other news sources that corroborate this. > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From spork at bway.net Sat Jul 28 00:04:51 2018 From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2018 00:04:51 -0400 Subject: [talk] Bye bye twc/ spectrum? In-Reply-To: <20180728031952.GA36898@LeoCat.my.domain> References: <20180728031952.GA36898@LeoCat.my.domain> Message-ID: <506AF6AD-ED7E-429F-A5B1-2AF44C9E8541@bway.net> > On Jul 27, 2018, at 11:19 PM, Jonathan Drews wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 08:56:16PM -0400, Mark Saad wrote: >> >> All >> Is this true , the verge is reporting that nys is going to kick charter out of nys for failing to comply with the requirements of the twc , spectrum, charter merger . >> >> https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/27/17622846/spectrum-charter-cable-internet-new-york-kicked-out >> >> --- >> Mark Saad | mark.saad at ymail.com > > It looks like it is true. Slate has an article on it: > https://amp.slate.com/technology/2018/07/spectrum-forced-to-leave-new-york-after-failing-to-meet-the-terms-of-its-2016-merger-with-time-warner.html > > The part that caught my eye was: > The company provides internet, cable, and phone services to more than *2* *million* customers in New York. > Apart from banning Spectrum from New York, the commission is also fining the company $3 million. > > There are other news sources that corroborate this. I am really having a hard time finding a good map of what parts of the state they cover. But if the population is around 17M and there are only 2M customers, it can?t be a very large footprint. Cuomo admin does some interesting things when poked from the left. >> _______________________________________________ >> talk mailing list >> talk at lists.nycbug.org >> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From bcallah at devio.us Sat Jul 28 00:31:59 2018 From: bcallah at devio.us (Brian Callahan) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2018 00:31:59 -0400 Subject: [talk] Bye bye twc/ spectrum? In-Reply-To: <506AF6AD-ED7E-429F-A5B1-2AF44C9E8541@bway.net> References: <20180728031952.GA36898@LeoCat.my.domain> <506AF6AD-ED7E-429F-A5B1-2AF44C9E8541@bway.net> Message-ID: <379a5624-9b62-1ca3-69cb-d91526d1e0da@devio.us> On 07/28/18 00:04, Charles Sprickman wrote: >> On Jul 27, 2018, at 11:19 PM, Jonathan Drews wrote: >> >> On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 08:56:16PM -0400, Mark Saad wrote: >>> All >>> Is this true , the verge is reporting that nys is going to kick charter out of nys for failing to comply with the requirements of the twc , spectrum, charter merger . >>> >>> https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/27/17622846/spectrum-charter-cable-internet-new-york-kicked-out >>> >>> --- >>> Mark Saad | mark.saad at ymail.com >> It looks like it is true. Slate has an article on it: >> https://amp.slate.com/technology/2018/07/spectrum-forced-to-leave-new-york-after-failing-to-meet-the-terms-of-its-2016-merger-with-time-warner.html >> >> The part that caught my eye was: >> The company provides internet, cable, and phone services to more than *2* *million* customers in New York. >> Apart from banning Spectrum from New York, the commission is also fining the company $3 million. >> >> There are other news sources that corroborate this. > I am really having a hard time finding a good map of what parts of the state they cover. But if the population is around 17M and there are only 2M customers, it can?t be a very large footprint. > > Cuomo admin does some interesting things when poked from the left. They cover the Capital District. It's the only option for me up here in Troy. ~Brian >>> _______________________________________________ >>> talk mailing list >>> talk at lists.nycbug.org >>> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >> _______________________________________________ >> talk mailing list >> talk at lists.nycbug.org >> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From edlinuxguru at gmail.com Sat Jul 28 10:23:29 2018 From: edlinuxguru at gmail.com (Edward Capriolo) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2018 10:23:29 -0400 Subject: [talk] Bye bye twc/ spectrum? In-Reply-To: <379a5624-9b62-1ca3-69cb-d91526d1e0da@devio.us> References: <20180728031952.GA36898@LeoCat.my.domain> <506AF6AD-ED7E-429F-A5B1-2AF44C9E8541@bway.net> <379a5624-9b62-1ca3-69cb-d91526d1e0da@devio.us> Message-ID: Meanwhile Verizon is "too big to fail" https://gizmodo.com/after-billions-in-subsidies-the-final-verizon-fios-map-1682854728 https://www.pcworld.com/article/2147360/fcc-adds-9-billion-to-broadband-subsidy-fund.html On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 12:31 AM, Brian Callahan wrote: > > On 07/28/18 00:04, Charles Sprickman wrote: > >> On Jul 27, 2018, at 11:19 PM, Jonathan Drews wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 08:56:16PM -0400, Mark Saad wrote: >>> >>>> All >>>> Is this true , the verge is reporting that nys is going to kick >>>> charter out of nys for failing to comply with the requirements of the twc , >>>> spectrum, charter merger . >>>> >>>> https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/27/17622846/spectrum-charter >>>> -cable-internet-new-york-kicked-out >>>> >>>> --- >>>> Mark Saad | mark.saad at ymail.com >>>> >>> It looks like it is true. Slate has an article on it: >>> https://amp.slate.com/technology/2018/07/spectrum-forced-to- >>> leave-new-york-after-failing-to-meet-the-terms-of-its-2016- >>> merger-with-time-warner.html >>> >>> The part that caught my eye was: >>> The company provides internet, cable, and phone services to more than >>> *2* *million* customers in New York. >>> Apart from banning Spectrum from New York, the commission is also fining >>> the company $3 million. >>> >>> There are other news sources that corroborate this. >>> >> I am really having a hard time finding a good map of what parts of the >> state they cover. But if the population is around 17M and there are only >> 2M customers, it can?t be a very large footprint. >> >> Cuomo admin does some interesting things when poked from the left. >> > > They cover the Capital District. It's the only option for me up here in > Troy. > > ~Brian > > _______________________________________________ >>>> talk mailing list >>>> talk at lists.nycbug.org >>>> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> talk mailing list >>> talk at lists.nycbug.org >>> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> talk mailing list >> talk at lists.nycbug.org >> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >> > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scottro11 at gmail.com Sat Jul 28 10:31:42 2018 From: scottro11 at gmail.com (Scott Robbins) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2018 10:31:42 -0400 Subject: [talk] Bye bye twc/ spectrum? In-Reply-To: References: <20180728031952.GA36898@LeoCat.my.domain> <506AF6AD-ED7E-429F-A5B1-2AF44C9E8541@bway.net> <379a5624-9b62-1ca3-69cb-d91526d1e0da@devio.us> Message-ID: <20180728143142.7cynq4mu4gnuptkd@scott1.scottro.net> On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 10:23:29AM -0400, Edward Capriolo wrote: > Meanwhile Verizon is "too big to fail" > > https://gizmodo.com/after-billions-in-subsidies-the-final-verizon-fios-map-1682854728 > > https://www.pcworld.com/article/2147360/fcc-adds-9-billion-to-broadband-subsidy-fund.html > In my current building, all we have is TWC (now Spectrum) and it's actually given better speed and more reliability. My worry is, if they're kicked out, assuming we won't get municipal fiber, is what will replace them? Will it be worse? I wish that they would just kill the monopolies as punishement. That's about the only thing that will really help consumers. Do something like, you blew it, now you are no longer have any monopolies you were given. Ah well, wishful thinking. -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 From kmsujit at gmail.com Sat Jul 28 11:10:34 2018 From: kmsujit at gmail.com (Sujit K M) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2018 20:40:34 +0530 Subject: [talk] Bye bye twc/ spectrum? In-Reply-To: <20180728143142.7cynq4mu4gnuptkd@scott1.scottro.net> References: <20180728031952.GA36898@LeoCat.my.domain> <506AF6AD-ED7E-429F-A5B1-2AF44C9E8541@bway.net> <379a5624-9b62-1ca3-69cb-d91526d1e0da@devio.us> <20180728143142.7cynq4mu4gnuptkd@scott1.scottro.net> Message-ID: > I wish that they would just kill the monopolies as punishement. That's > about the only thing that will really help consumers. Monopolies ended long time ago. What you see is pure marketing and sales I guess. > Do something like, you blew it, now you are no longer have any monopolies > you were given. IMHO commercialization is an unknown field for opensource. From spork at bway.net Sat Jul 28 14:39:21 2018 From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2018 14:39:21 -0400 Subject: [talk] Bye bye twc/ spectrum? In-Reply-To: References: <20180728031952.GA36898@LeoCat.my.domain> <506AF6AD-ED7E-429F-A5B1-2AF44C9E8541@bway.net> <379a5624-9b62-1ca3-69cb-d91526d1e0da@devio.us> Message-ID: <1355F826-17E4-4B9D-B02F-9B406CDE0FA9@bway.net> > On Jul 28, 2018, at 10:23 AM, Edward Capriolo wrote: > > Meanwhile Verizon is "too big to fail" > > https://gizmodo.com/after-billions-in-subsidies-the-final-verizon-fios-map-1682854728 > > https://www.pcworld.com/article/2147360/fcc-adds-9-billion-to-broadband-subsidy-fund.html That?s just beyond infuriating? A for-profit company getting handouts while people are using GoFundMe and personal bankruptcy to cover chemotherapy. What a world. https://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/vz/financials?query=income-statement Year 12/31/2017 12/31/2016 12/31/2015 12/31/2014 NET income $30,101,000 $13,127,000 $17,879,000 $9,625,000 Taxes ($9,956,000) $7,378,000 $9,865,000 $3,314,000 > > On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 12:31 AM, Brian Callahan > wrote: > > On 07/28/18 00:04, Charles Sprickman wrote: > On Jul 27, 2018, at 11:19 PM, Jonathan Drews > wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 08:56:16PM -0400, Mark Saad wrote: > All > Is this true , the verge is reporting that nys is going to kick charter out of nys for failing to comply with the requirements of the twc , spectrum, charter merger . > > https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/27/17622846/spectrum-charter-cable-internet-new-york-kicked-out > > --- > Mark Saad | mark.saad at ymail.com > It looks like it is true. Slate has an article on it: > https://amp.slate.com/technology/2018/07/spectrum-forced-to-leave-new-york-after-failing-to-meet-the-terms-of-its-2016-merger-with-time-warner.html > > The part that caught my eye was: > The company provides internet, cable, and phone services to more than *2* *million* customers in New York. > Apart from banning Spectrum from New York, the commission is also fining the company $3 million. > > There are other news sources that corroborate this. > I am really having a hard time finding a good map of what parts of the state they cover. But if the population is around 17M and there are only 2M customers, it can?t be a very large footprint. > > Cuomo admin does some interesting things when poked from the left. > > They cover the Capital District. It's the only option for me up here in Troy. > > ~Brian > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: