From nonesuch at longcount.org  Thu Aug  1 17:44:16 2019
From: nonesuch at longcount.org (Mark Saad)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 17:44:16 -0400
Subject: [talk] Max Number of CARP Addresses
Message-ID: <CAMXt9NaEeG0UChLrvNbWFdHuMyhPSe6MSx-hey=wzAxzWftYpA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All
   Doe anyone know what the Max number of CARP addresses you can have
in a single pair of servers ?

Also from what I can tell this seutp seams like it could work. Can
anyone comment .

Server a and server b have an address in subnet X . They have one carp
address in that subnet.
Then server a has a bunch of ip aliases in subnet X that are not
carp'ed but as part of the failover a script is run to move the
aliases from server a to b .



-- 
mark saad | nonesuch at longcount.org



From bonsaime at gmail.com  Thu Aug  1 21:32:31 2019
From: bonsaime at gmail.com (Jesse Callaway)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 18:32:31 -0700
Subject: [talk] Max Number of CARP Addresses
In-Reply-To: <CAMXt9NaEeG0UChLrvNbWFdHuMyhPSe6MSx-hey=wzAxzWftYpA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMXt9NaEeG0UChLrvNbWFdHuMyhPSe6MSx-hey=wzAxzWftYpA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJU5ZBOWo1G7xhdL6MvLMgD=r92=k2+obGviyZfiXp0E0VGNCA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019, 2:44 PM Mark Saad <nonesuch at longcount.org> wrote:

> Hello All
>    Doe anyone know what the Max number of CARP addresses you can have
> in a single pair of servers ?
>
> Also from what I can tell this seutp seams like it could work. Can
> anyone comment .
>
> Server a and server b have an address in subnet X . They have one carp
> address in that subnet.
> Then server a has a bunch of ip aliases in subnet X that are not
> carp'ed but as part of the failover a script is run to move the
> aliases from server a to b .
>
>
>
> --
> mark saad | nonesuch at longcount.org
>
> _______________________________________________
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I don't know much of carp anymore, but I guess the question is all about
how you plan to have the ARP advertisements. I think there's the need to
"gratuitously" advertise at the event of failover all of the addresses that
are shared. I think it's possible to script up such advertisements in a
user script, but I guess you'd rather have carp handle this since that is
what it's whole reason for being is?

I apologize for outright guessing on a public forum but it's interesting to
me and I'd like to move the discussion along.

-jesse

>
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From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Fri Aug  2 20:27:00 2019
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2019 00:27:00 +0000
Subject: [talk] pkgsrcCon blog post
Message-ID: <79f807db-313c-8017-3b3c-d155aec9aebd@ceetonetechnology.com>

>From Sevan..

> Hello,
> I put together a post about pkgsrcCon 2019 which happened recently.
> https://www.geeklan.co.uk/?p=2392



From jpb at jimby.name  Sat Aug  3 10:31:01 2019
From: jpb at jimby.name (jpb)
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 14:31:01 +0000
Subject: [talk] pkgsrcCon blog post
In-Reply-To: <79f807db-313c-8017-3b3c-d155aec9aebd@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <79f807db-313c-8017-3b3c-d155aec9aebd@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <20190803143101.ckzeaoj4txnsw46s@jimby.name>

On Sat, Aug 03, 2019 at 12:27:00AM +0000, George Rosamond wrote:
> >From Sevan..
> 
> > Hello,
> > I put together a post about pkgsrcCon 2019 which happened recently.
> > https://www.geeklan.co.uk/?p=2392
> 

Nice writeup, and fun to read.  When was the last time you saw
"gallivanting" in print?

jpb



From mcevoy.pat at gmail.com  Tue Aug  6 23:21:55 2019
From: mcevoy.pat at gmail.com (Pat McEvoy)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 23:21:55 -0400
Subject: [talk] Projector for meeting tomorrow?
Message-ID: <F565C6FA-61EF-43F3-91CE-2B5FDC7DF3FF@gmail.com>

Hey Folks,
Does anyone have a projector we could borrow for tomorrow?s meeting please? I may mean the difference between using the first or second floor at Suspenders. Feel free to reply off-list.  See you all soon. 
P

Patrick McEvoy



From viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com  Wed Aug  7 08:41:36 2019
From: viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com (Robert Menes)
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 08:41:36 -0400
Subject: [talk] New versions of netbsd-hpcmips
Message-ID: <CA+TaHT0fNzHS=Hz8vaHVCNWEvMjiGs8zn7mTOdNiLzSrExiSUQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all,

Does anyone have a disk image of NetBSD-hpcmips newer than 7.1? My WorkPad
Z50 hasn't had any new updates in a while.

I've got my WorkPad with me for tonight but brought the wrong CF card by
mistake as well. Whoever has netbsd-hpcmips: can you write it to a CF card
and bring it tonight? TIA whoever can!

--Robert
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From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Wed Aug  7 13:49:00 2019
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2019 17:49:00 +0000
Subject: [talk] Projector for meeting tomorrow?
In-Reply-To: <F565C6FA-61EF-43F3-91CE-2B5FDC7DF3FF@gmail.com>
References: <F565C6FA-61EF-43F3-91CE-2B5FDC7DF3FF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <746d0668-d82c-a835-fa53-5efe277f915f@ceetonetechnology.com>



Pat McEvoy:
> Hey Folks,
> Does anyone have a projector we could borrow for tomorrow?s meeting please? I may mean the difference between using the first or second floor at Suspenders. Feel free to reply off-list.  See you all soon. 

I can't be there tonight, and not sure of the progress on the projector,
but I would avoid the first floor at all costs.

Someone must have one at work to borrow... we should look at some other
solutions.  Rentals for an evening?

How come we don't have Star Wars-esque holographic USB projectors yet?
I can't be *that* hard.

g



From mcevoy.pat at gmail.com  Wed Aug  7 15:05:05 2019
From: mcevoy.pat at gmail.com (Pat McEvoy)
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 15:05:05 -0400
Subject: [talk] Projector for meeting tomorrow?
In-Reply-To: <746d0668-d82c-a835-fa53-5efe277f915f@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <F565C6FA-61EF-43F3-91CE-2B5FDC7DF3FF@gmail.com>
 <746d0668-d82c-a835-fa53-5efe277f915f@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <587BE480-24F0-4645-9D0E-45E71145C241@gmail.com>




> On Aug 7, 2019, at 1:49 PM, George Rosamond <george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Pat McEvoy:
>> Hey Folks,
>> Does anyone have a projector we could borrow for tomorrow?s meeting please? I may mean the difference between using the first or second floor at Suspenders. Feel free to reply off-list.  See you all soon. 
> 
> I can't be there tonight, and not sure of the progress on the projector,
> but I would avoid the first floor at all costs.
> 
> Someone must have one at work to borrow... we should look at some other
> solutions.  Rentals for an evening?
> 
> How come we don't have Star Wars-esque holographic USB projectors yet?
> I can't be *that* hard.
> 
> g

Ha! I wish we could just roll up a ?droid, but alas it is not In the cards. We have a projector and have pushed for second floor. It is an older VGA model that is not compatible with my screen grab system. Will have an older look tonight with full screen projector grab. Good news is we will most likely be upstairs. 
See most of you soon. 
Be well,
P



> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk



From viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com  Wed Aug  7 20:39:24 2019
From: viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com (Robert Menes)
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 20:39:24 -0400
Subject: [talk] Installfest before year's end
Message-ID: <CA+TaHT0ntO0SmaKRwj9TUFfjz0Z=cw5Vcc5NNkBoQw58-dwsUg@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all,

Let's try for another installfest before the year ends. I've got a lot of
old hardware that I'd love to try and install BSDs on.

It would be a fun way to bring people in and also a nice way to have fun
and see what does what.

--Robert
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From sjt.kar at gmail.com  Thu Aug  8 05:06:44 2019
From: sjt.kar at gmail.com (Sujit K M)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2019 14:36:44 +0530
Subject: [talk] Installfest before year's end
In-Reply-To: <CA+TaHT0ntO0SmaKRwj9TUFfjz0Z=cw5Vcc5NNkBoQw58-dwsUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+TaHT0ntO0SmaKRwj9TUFfjz0Z=cw5Vcc5NNkBoQw58-dwsUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOPOgtDO92wkoC=qtu6wHDxqtFXhX+DXaVGxi4QgPV7rqwioVA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 6:10 AM Robert Menes <viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> Let's try for another installfest before the year ends. I've got a lot of old hardware that I'd love to try and install BSDs on.
>
> It would be a fun way to bring people in and also a nice way to have fun and see what does what.
>
> --Robert

I might not be update regarding the BSD projects right now. But I will
have to pitch in as I find it very interesting.

Since we don't need to restrict our set of participants, it is better
build/install some thing like Amazon EC2. I was a great
fan of CVSUP or how golang downloads and builds projects. Since we
have time we should try and create projects which
help us do this and that can be used during install fest time.

Found something interesting though.

https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=261953

-- 
-- Sujit K M

blog(http://kmsujit.blogspot.com/)



From viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com  Tue Aug 13 12:23:00 2019
From: viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com (Robert Menes)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 12:23:00 -0400
Subject: [talk] PCMCIA Ethernet cards compatible with NetBSD/hpcmips
Message-ID: <CA+TaHT1jq90dmC8DNdk74WoD6kn=fpw=pGSVr5gS_ENMWDN_YA@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all,

I need to get a PCMCIA Ethernet card for my WorkPad Z50 that'll play nice
with NetBSD 7.1. Anyone have any suggestions on compatible cards?

Cheers!

--Robert
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From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Tue Aug 13 12:25:00 2019
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 16:25:00 +0000
Subject: [talk] PCMCIA Ethernet cards compatible with NetBSD/hpcmips
In-Reply-To: <CA+TaHT1jq90dmC8DNdk74WoD6kn=fpw=pGSVr5gS_ENMWDN_YA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+TaHT1jq90dmC8DNdk74WoD6kn=fpw=pGSVr5gS_ENMWDN_YA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <40dfbd42-6c92-881b-3b10-36cbda21067a@ceetonetechnology.com>



Robert Menes:
> Hey all,
> 
> I need to get a PCMCIA Ethernet card for my WorkPad Z50 that'll play nice
> with NetBSD 7.1. Anyone have any suggestions on compatible cards?

It's been a while since I tinkered with mine, but it's a question of
whether NetBSD supports the chipset, but also whether the driver is in
that particular kernel.

IIRC, it's type II only PCMCIA?

I think Sevan knows..

I'll try to dig later today on the models.

g



From imp at bsdimp.com  Tue Aug 13 12:38:13 2019
From: imp at bsdimp.com (Warner Losh)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 10:38:13 -0600
Subject: [talk] PCMCIA Ethernet cards compatible with NetBSD/hpcmips
In-Reply-To: <40dfbd42-6c92-881b-3b10-36cbda21067a@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <CA+TaHT1jq90dmC8DNdk74WoD6kn=fpw=pGSVr5gS_ENMWDN_YA@mail.gmail.com>
 <40dfbd42-6c92-881b-3b10-36cbda21067a@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <CANCZdfqAqLiuit5R4LBJpbf64Am6+SLZp8ZP8wmOfY6Ph8=dBg@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 10:28 AM George Rosamond <
george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote:

>
>
> Robert Menes:
> > Hey all,
> >
> > I need to get a PCMCIA Ethernet card for my WorkPad Z50 that'll play nice
> > with NetBSD 7.1. Anyone have any suggestions on compatible cards?
>
> It's been a while since I tinkered with mine, but it's a question of
> whether NetBSD supports the chipset, but also whether the driver is in
> that particular kernel.
>
> IIRC, it's type II only PCMCIA?
>
> I think Sevan knows..
>
> I'll try to dig later today on the models.
>

I had good luck back in the day running any of my NE-2000 compatible PC
Cards or any of the EtherLink III cards. But that was maybe 12 or 15 years
ago.

I'm currently thinning my collection, so I'd be happy to ship a couple...

Warner
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From venture37 at geeklan.co.uk  Tue Aug 13 16:15:52 2019
From: venture37 at geeklan.co.uk (Sevan Janiyan)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 21:15:52 +0100
Subject: [talk] PCMCIA Ethernet cards compatible with NetBSD/hpcmips
In-Reply-To: <40dfbd42-6c92-881b-3b10-36cbda21067a@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <CA+TaHT1jq90dmC8DNdk74WoD6kn=fpw=pGSVr5gS_ENMWDN_YA@mail.gmail.com>
 <40dfbd42-6c92-881b-3b10-36cbda21067a@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <55d298fc-690f-6c78-4d30-7bb21cfcc757@geeklan.co.uk>



On 13/08/2019 17:25, George Rosamond wrote:
> It's been a while since I tinkered with mine, but it's a question of
> whether NetBSD supports the chipset, but also whether the driver is in
> that particular kernel.
> 
> IIRC, it's type II only PCMCIA?
> 
> I think Sevan knows..
> 
> I'll try to dig later today on the models.

10Mbit ne(4) cards are a safe bet. I use a D-Link DE-660.
Can't use PC-Cards (gold tipped).


Sevan



From viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com  Tue Aug 13 17:32:47 2019
From: viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com (Robert Menes)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 17:32:47 -0400
Subject: [talk] PCMCIA Ethernet cards compatible with NetBSD/hpcmips
In-Reply-To: <55d298fc-690f-6c78-4d30-7bb21cfcc757@geeklan.co.uk>
References: <CA+TaHT1jq90dmC8DNdk74WoD6kn=fpw=pGSVr5gS_ENMWDN_YA@mail.gmail.com>
 <40dfbd42-6c92-881b-3b10-36cbda21067a@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <55d298fc-690f-6c78-4d30-7bb21cfcc757@geeklan.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CA+TaHT37=zCKo44nfGsUBE=ALreCKi=CmREb68E3bYpWHUA9-Q@mail.gmail.com>

Sevan,

Found a Dlink DE660 NOS on eBay for super super cheap. Getting!

--Robert

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 16:17 Sevan Janiyan <venture37 at geeklan.co.uk> wrote:

>
>
> On 13/08/2019 17:25, George Rosamond wrote:
> > It's been a while since I tinkered with mine, but it's a question of
> > whether NetBSD supports the chipset, but also whether the driver is in
> > that particular kernel.
> >
> > IIRC, it's type II only PCMCIA?
> >
> > I think Sevan knows..
> >
> > I'll try to dig later today on the models.
>
> 10Mbit ne(4) cards are a safe bet. I use a D-Link DE-660.
> Can't use PC-Cards (gold tipped).
>
>
> Sevan
>
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From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Wed Aug 14 18:32:00 2019
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 22:32:00 +0000
Subject: [talk] Fwd: vBSDCon - Sept 5-7 Reston VA
In-Reply-To: <fae40603-ab00-41d9-9632-a28890aae70f@www.fastmail.com>
References: <fae40603-ab00-41d9-9632-a28890aae70f@www.fastmail.com>
Message-ID: <95b8c385-cb30-5507-f9a1-e5787a9d54cd@ceetonetechnology.com>

I believe some NYC people are going.  I can't make it that weekend,
unfortunately.

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: vBSDCon - Sept 5-7 Reston VA
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 15:41:43 -0400
From: Dan Langille <dan
To: netbsd-advocacy at netbsd.org

The vBSDCon 2019 conference is Sept 5-7 in Reston VA.

The schedule has been added to the website:
https://www.vbsdcon.com/schedule/

The Early Bird registration of $100 closes on Aug 15 (Thursday this week).

https://www.vbsdcon.com/registration

See you there.

-- 
  Dan Langille
  dan at langille.org



From jkeenan at pobox.com  Wed Aug 14 19:39:37 2019
From: jkeenan at pobox.com (James E Keenan)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 19:39:37 -0400
Subject: [talk] Fwd: vBSDCon - Sept 5-7 Reston VA
In-Reply-To: <95b8c385-cb30-5507-f9a1-e5787a9d54cd@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <fae40603-ab00-41d9-9632-a28890aae70f@www.fastmail.com>
 <95b8c385-cb30-5507-f9a1-e5787a9d54cd@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <1b4a2124-9a07-a69f-6c5a-ff68111ccf94@pobox.com>

On 8/14/19 6:32 PM, George Rosamond wrote:
> I believe some NYC people are going.  I can't make it that weekend,
> unfortunately.

I like bcallah's non-abstract abstract.

https://www.vbsdcon.com/schedule/2019-09-06.html

michael lucas talk also looks interesting.



From callab5 at rpi.edu  Wed Aug 14 20:16:12 2019
From: callab5 at rpi.edu (Brian Callahan)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 20:16:12 -0400
Subject: [talk] Fwd: vBSDCon - Sept 5-7 Reston VA
In-Reply-To: <1b4a2124-9a07-a69f-6c5a-ff68111ccf94@pobox.com>
References: <fae40603-ab00-41d9-9632-a28890aae70f@www.fastmail.com>
 <95b8c385-cb30-5507-f9a1-e5787a9d54cd@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <1b4a2124-9a07-a69f-6c5a-ff68111ccf94@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <cc770f08-aea8-cd01-80b8-9edb0fcd28dd@rpi.edu>



On 8/14/19 7:39 PM, James E Keenan wrote:
> On 8/14/19 6:32 PM, George Rosamond wrote:
>> I believe some NYC people are going.? I can't make it that weekend,
>> unfortunately.
>
> I like bcallah's non-abstract abstract.
>
> https://www.vbsdcon.com/schedule/2019-09-06.html
>
> michael lucas talk also looks interesting.
>

Hah! dvl asked me to change it and I did but I guess it never got updated.
But I too like my non-abstract abstract.

~Brian



From mwlucas at michaelwlucas.com  Wed Aug 14 20:33:36 2019
From: mwlucas at michaelwlucas.com (Michael W. Lucas)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 20:33:36 -0400
Subject: [talk] Fwd: vBSDCon - Sept 5-7 Reston VA
In-Reply-To: <1b4a2124-9a07-a69f-6c5a-ff68111ccf94@pobox.com>
References: <fae40603-ab00-41d9-9632-a28890aae70f@www.fastmail.com>
 <95b8c385-cb30-5507-f9a1-e5787a9d54cd@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <1b4a2124-9a07-a69f-6c5a-ff68111ccf94@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <20190815003336.GA67082@mail.mwl.io>

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 07:39:37PM -0400, James E Keenan wrote:
> On 8/14/19 6:32 PM, George Rosamond wrote:
> > I believe some NYC people are going.  I can't make it that weekend,
> > unfortunately.
> 
> I like bcallah's non-abstract abstract.
> 
> https://www.vbsdcon.com/schedule/2019-09-06.html
> 
> michael lucas talk also looks interesting.

Lucas' talk is tenditious and tedious. Fortunately it's at the end of
the day, so we can all hit the bar as soon as Benedict finishes his
talk on killing Oracle.

==ml

-- 
Michael W. Lucas 	https://mwl.io/
author of: Absolute OpenBSD, SSH Mastery, git commit murder,
Immortal Clay, PGP & GPG, Absolute FreeBSD, etc, etc, etc...



From spork at bway.net  Wed Aug 14 21:13:32 2019
From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 21:13:32 -0400
Subject: [talk] Fwd: vBSDCon - Sept 5-7 Reston VA
In-Reply-To: <95b8c385-cb30-5507-f9a1-e5787a9d54cd@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <fae40603-ab00-41d9-9632-a28890aae70f@www.fastmail.com>
 <95b8c385-cb30-5507-f9a1-e5787a9d54cd@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <E2486812-67DB-46FF-B467-F0BB66EC9944@bway.net>

I?m actually curious about the last bit of this abstract (FreeNAS -> FreeBSD user):

"While the subject of the talk is certainly applicable to those many users considering the same transition, perhaps more importantly it demonstrates how our recruitment ecosystem may scarcely resemble its former self.?

I?m so disconnected from the *BSD world these days, really curious who the new blood is and where they come from.

Charles

> On Aug 14, 2019, at 6:32 PM, George Rosamond <george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote:
> 
> I believe some NYC people are going.  I can't make it that weekend,
> unfortunately.
> 
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: vBSDCon - Sept 5-7 Reston VA
> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 15:41:43 -0400
> From: Dan Langille <dan
> To: netbsd-advocacy at netbsd.org
> 
> The vBSDCon 2019 conference is Sept 5-7 in Reston VA.
> 
> The schedule has been added to the website:
> https://www.vbsdcon.com/schedule/
> 
> The Early Bird registration of $100 closes on Aug 15 (Thursday this week).
> 
> https://www.vbsdcon.com/registration
> 
> See you there.
> 
> -- 
>  Dan Langille
>  dan at langille.org
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk



From jkeenan at pobox.com  Fri Aug 23 18:50:21 2019
From: jkeenan at pobox.com (James E Keenan)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 18:50:21 -0400
Subject: [talk] NetBSD beginner's question: Why is it so difficult to
 install packages?
Message-ID: <78d59bc4-adff-90f7-3deb-cdbc9b9a4e05@pobox.com>

Today is my first day working on NetBSD.  Installing packages on NetBSD 
seems to be more complex than on FreeBSD or OpenBSD.  I suspect I'm 
missing something very basic (but not something obvious, obviously).

I. Background

I install various OSes as VirtualBox VMs, managed by Vagrant, on a 
FreeBSD-11 host.  With varying degrees of difficulty I have installed 
FreeBSD 11, 12 and 13 VMs and OpenBSD 6.3 and 6.4 hosts.  Today, with 
considerable difficulty, I installed a NetBSD-8.0 VM on this host.

One of the first challenges I face when working in a VM for a new OS is 
how to install packages.  In the FreeBSD-11 or -12 VMs, this is very 
simple.  As user 'vagrant', I say:

#####
sudo pkg install cmdwatch
#####

... and 'pkg' goes to the mirror (which happens to be maintained by 
NYCBUG), gets the latest version of 'cmdwatch', downloads and installs 
it.  Note that with this syntax I don't have to know either the URL to 
the mirror, the version number for the package, whether it's packaged as 
a '.tar.gz', a '.tgz' or whatever.

Remember that I said I manage these VMs via Vagrant?  Ensuring that I am 
always upgrading to the latest stable version of a package is easy.  I 
simply add a line to the SHELL script which is defined within the 
Vagrantfile and which runs with 'vagrant up' or 'vagrant reload 
--provision':

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sudo pkg install -y cmdwatch
#####

... where the '-y' means "upgrade if available."  The Vagrantfile does 
not need to know the URL to the mirror, the package version number, or 
its compression.  It just DWIMs.

II. The Current Problem

As far as I can tell from reading http://www.netbsd.org/docs/pkgsrc/ -- 
there sadly being no Michael W Lucas books on NetBSD available -- it 
appears I have to tell the machine the URL for the mirror and specify 
the exact version number for the package on that mirror.  For example, I 
had to call:

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PKG_PATH="http://cdn.NetBSD.org/pub/pkgsrc/packages/$(uname -s)/$(uname 
-m)/$(uname -r|cut -f '1 2' -d.)/All/"
#####

... which translated into:

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export 
PKG_PATH=http://cdn.NetBSD.org/pub/pkgsrc/packages/NetBSD/amd64/8.0/All/
#####

... and then call:

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sudo pkg_add -v "$PKG_PATH/perl-5.28.2.tgz"
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or

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sudo pkg_add -v "$PKG_PATH/watch-3.2.6nb4.tgz"
#####

All of which means that I have to manually search cdn.NetBSD.org to get 
the full URL.  And there's no way I can put a filename like 
'watch-3.2.6nb4.tgz' into a Vagrantfile and expect it to be maintainable.

What am I missing?  What is the NetBSD equivalent to FreeBSD's 'sudo pkg 
install -y perl5 vim git subversion screen wget cmdwatch'?

Thank you very much.
Jim Keenan



From venture37 at geeklan.co.uk  Fri Aug 23 19:47:42 2019
From: venture37 at geeklan.co.uk (Sevan Janiyan)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 00:47:42 +0100
Subject: [talk] NetBSD beginner's question: Why is it so difficult to
 install packages?
In-Reply-To: <78d59bc4-adff-90f7-3deb-cdbc9b9a4e05@pobox.com>
References: <78d59bc4-adff-90f7-3deb-cdbc9b9a4e05@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <8f870dd9-5c69-2fc9-37c9-b622ed5fea85@geeklan.co.uk>



On 23/08/2019 23:50, James E Keenan wrote:
> What am I missing?

1) Install 8.1 not 8.0. Even better, daily 8_STABLE are available at
http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-daily/netbsd-8/latest/
2) You can omit the -version suffix of a package name, e.g use pkg_add perl
3) When you have finished the install, choose "Enable installation of
binary packages" in the configuration menu
https://www.netbsd.org/docs/guide/install-images/inst-conf-menu.png
That will install pkgin, then use pkgin to install your desired
packages. See the bottom of http://pkgin.net for usage examples.


Sevan



From jkeenan at pobox.com  Fri Aug 23 20:42:17 2019
From: jkeenan at pobox.com (James E Keenan)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 20:42:17 -0400
Subject: [talk] NetBSD beginner's question: Why is it so difficult to
 install packages?
In-Reply-To: <8f870dd9-5c69-2fc9-37c9-b622ed5fea85@geeklan.co.uk>
References: <78d59bc4-adff-90f7-3deb-cdbc9b9a4e05@pobox.com>
 <8f870dd9-5c69-2fc9-37c9-b622ed5fea85@geeklan.co.uk>
Message-ID: <98164a9d-000d-d7cd-51e5-98f8ebe62a05@pobox.com>

On 8/23/19 7:47 PM, Sevan Janiyan wrote:
> 
> 
> On 23/08/2019 23:50, James E Keenan wrote:
>> What am I missing?
> 
> 1) Install 8.1 not 8.0. Even better, daily 8_STABLE are available at
> http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-daily/netbsd-8/latest/

Did you understand what I wrote?  On this host, our policy is to install 
VMs using virtualbox and vagrant.  We're not installing an OS on bare metal.

> 2) You can omit the -version suffix of a package name, e.g use pkg_add perl

Tried that, repeatedly.  Didn't work, repeatedly.

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$ sudo pkg_add perl
pkg_add: no pkg found for 'perl', sorry.
pkg_add: 1 package addition failed
#####

> 3) When you have finished the install, choose "Enable installation of
> binary packages" in the configuration menu
> https://www.netbsd.org/docs/guide/install-images/inst-conf-menu.png
> That will install pkgin, then use pkgin to install your desired
> packages. See the bottom of http://pkgin.net for usage examples.
> 

Okay, that's much more what I'm looking for.

#####
$ sudo pkgin install perl
reading local summary...
processing local summary...
processing remote summary 
(http://ftp.NetBSD.org/pub/pkgsrc/packages/NetBSD/amd64/8.0/All)...
pkg_summary.bz2 
          100% 2837KB 709.2KB/s   00:04
calculating dependencies...done.
nothing to do.
#####

I'll see whether that works for as yet uninstalled packages.

Thank you very much.
Jim Keenan



From mcevoy.pat at gmail.com  Tue Aug 27 20:36:27 2019
From: mcevoy.pat at gmail.com (Patrick McEvoy)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2019 20:36:27 -0400
Subject: [talk] Loaner projector
Message-ID: <5D65CC8B.9070008@gmail.com>

Hello Folks,
Does anyone have a HDMI projector we can borrow for the Sept 4th NYC*Bug
meeting? Having one lets us use the upstairs space which is quieter and
more conducive to BSD chat. Feel free to hit me off list.
See you next week.
P



From mcevoy.pat at gmail.com  Fri Aug 30 21:53:45 2019
From: mcevoy.pat at gmail.com (Pat McEvoy)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2019 21:53:45 -0400
Subject: [talk] Loaner projector
References: <5D65CC8B.9070008@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <99B28B50-445C-4FF9-BE5C-45EE2430AC00@gmail.com>

From: Patrick McEvoy <mcevoy.pat at gmail.com>
> Date: August 27, 2019 at 20:36:27 EDT
> To: talk <talk at lists.nycbug.org>
> Subject: Loaner projector
> Reply-To: mcevoy.pat at gmail.com
> 
> Hello Folks,
> Does anyone have a HDMI projector we can borrow for the Sept 4th NYC*Bug
> meeting? Having one lets us use the upstairs space which is quieter and
> more conducive to BSD chat. Feel free to hit me off list.
> See you next week.
> P
> 
> 
Just scored a little HDMI projector so it looks like we are good to go. 
P
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