From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Sun Jul  7 16:50:00 2019
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2019 20:50:00 +0000
Subject: [talk] try() in golang
Message-ID: <ab49c7d0-db0d-43c5-d5c4-8129fd6600ff@ceetonetechnology.com>

This was on slashdot, and it reminds me of someone's three-finger salute...

https://github.com/golang/go/issues/32437



From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Sun Jul  7 16:58:00 2019
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2019 20:58:00 +0000
Subject: [talk] NYC*BUG July 10: Everyday ZFS
Message-ID: <06daf7bf-4b96-bd01-7f0a-0e479dd93b41@ceetonetechnology.com>

This Wednesday and not last.

Everyday ZFS, Brian Reynolds
2019-07-10 @ 18:45 - Suspenders, 108 Greenwich Street; typically on the
second floor, otherwise on the first

The ZFS storage management system from Sun Microsystems, and available
for FreeBSD, is well known for data reliability in the data center. This
talk will discuss using ZFS in more low key environments like the
desktop, or on your laptop.

Speaker Biography

Brian Reynolds is a UNIX and Network Systems Administrator from New York
City with too many years of experience. He has worked in the Banking,
Software Development, Finance, Legal, Internet Service Provider, and
Garment industries. Brian is a graduate of NYU/WSUC and Aviation High
School. In the distant past Brian was a board member of UNIGROUP, and
has given presentations at local technical groups.



From kmsujit at gmail.com  Mon Jul  8 09:59:18 2019
From: kmsujit at gmail.com (Sujit K M)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 19:29:18 +0530
Subject: [talk] try() in golang
In-Reply-To: <ab49c7d0-db0d-43c5-d5c4-8129fd6600ff@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <ab49c7d0-db0d-43c5-d5c4-8129fd6600ff@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <CA+6mNeqcrV5DOxCSkpituEa8fbcfoLxp2jtNCp9OZ0h_i_XVyg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 2:21 AM George Rosamond
<george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote:
>
> This was on slashdot, and it reminds me of someone's three-finger salute...
>
> https://github.com/golang/go/issues/32437

I clearly don't understand much on what was being discussed rather
than a poor copy of
Java like implementation for GoLang. But what I would like to say is
that this is similar to
what Lambda Functions are intended for And GoLang will be better off
supporting Lambda
Functions rather that just copy an Java Construct. Below one of the
results I got while
searching for Lambda Functions in GoLang.

http://livingcode.org/entries/2009-11-13_go-language-and-functional-programming/

Cited from https://stackoverflow.com/questions/11766320/does-go-have-lambda-expressions-or-anything-similar\
Don't know the correctness of what ever is being highlighted here.



From briancoca+nycbug at gmail.com  Mon Jul  8 10:13:27 2019
From: briancoca+nycbug at gmail.com (Brian Coca)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 10:13:27 -0400
Subject: [talk] try() in golang
In-Reply-To: <CA+6mNeqcrV5DOxCSkpituEa8fbcfoLxp2jtNCp9OZ0h_i_XVyg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ab49c7d0-db0d-43c5-d5c4-8129fd6600ff@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <CA+6mNeqcrV5DOxCSkpituEa8fbcfoLxp2jtNCp9OZ0h_i_XVyg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADn+HswHKqqVZqRkt4utZUn+_pxXn3icOJyNDrUQtQQZvnK-=w@mail.gmail.com>

"try not, do or do not, there is no try!"

It is kind of a poor man's exception handler.

They should either really add exception handling or stick with the
'if' err', 1/2 measures like that will end up with worst of both
worlds.


-------------
Brian Coca



From edlinuxguru at gmail.com  Mon Jul  8 10:41:39 2019
From: edlinuxguru at gmail.com (Edward Capriolo)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 10:41:39 -0400
Subject: [talk] try() in golang
In-Reply-To: <CADn+HswHKqqVZqRkt4utZUn+_pxXn3icOJyNDrUQtQQZvnK-=w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ab49c7d0-db0d-43c5-d5c4-8129fd6600ff@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <CA+6mNeqcrV5DOxCSkpituEa8fbcfoLxp2jtNCp9OZ0h_i_XVyg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADn+HswHKqqVZqRkt4utZUn+_pxXn3icOJyNDrUQtQQZvnK-=w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAENxBwzjAhJ58Pyu=fx27TJ77jSEsejbPf+N0ctkrFsrt3+F-Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 10:14 AM Brian Coca <briancoca+nycbug at gmail.com>
wrote:

> "try not, do or do not, there is no try!"
>
> It is kind of a poor man's exception handler.
>
> They should either really add exception handling or stick with the
> 'if' err', 1/2 measures like that will end up with worst of both
> worlds.
>
>
> -------------
> Brian Coca
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk


Agree. I do not find it useful without catch or finally. The fact that they
have to propose such a minimal try and get no traction seems on par with
common google style. Some of the comments about nested try being unreadable
are obvious. You typically do not nest try even in languages where you can.
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From kmsujit at gmail.com  Mon Jul  8 11:29:37 2019
From: kmsujit at gmail.com (Sujit K M)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 20:59:37 +0530
Subject: [talk] try() in golang
In-Reply-To: <CAENxBwzjAhJ58Pyu=fx27TJ77jSEsejbPf+N0ctkrFsrt3+F-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ab49c7d0-db0d-43c5-d5c4-8129fd6600ff@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <CA+6mNeqcrV5DOxCSkpituEa8fbcfoLxp2jtNCp9OZ0h_i_XVyg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADn+HswHKqqVZqRkt4utZUn+_pxXn3icOJyNDrUQtQQZvnK-=w@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CA+6mNepOOSSLWg3KPjKc78G0vvzcw_Y=iH3Sb_Ojivy6062=1g@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 8:12 PM Edward Capriolo <edlinuxguru at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 10:14 AM Brian Coca <briancoca+nycbug at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> "try not, do or do not, there is no try!"
>>
>> It is kind of a poor man's exception handler.
>>
>> They should either really add exception handling or stick with the
>> 'if' err', 1/2 measures like that will end up with worst of both
>> worlds.
>>
>>
>> -------------
>> Brian Coca
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> talk mailing list
>> talk at lists.nycbug.org
>> http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
>
> Agree. I do not find it useful without catch or finally. The fact that
> they have to propose such a minimal try and get no traction seems on par
> with common google style. Some of the comments about nested try being
> unreadable are obvious. You typically do not nest try even in languages
> where you can.
>
>
Found some thing interesting why Go avoids Exceptions. It is the way they
think I guess.
https://dave.cheney.net/2012/01/18/why-go-gets-exceptions-right
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From edlinuxguru at gmail.com  Mon Jul  8 18:16:52 2019
From: edlinuxguru at gmail.com (Edward Capriolo)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 18:16:52 -0400
Subject: [talk] try() in golang
In-Reply-To: <CA+6mNepOOSSLWg3KPjKc78G0vvzcw_Y=iH3Sb_Ojivy6062=1g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ab49c7d0-db0d-43c5-d5c4-8129fd6600ff@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <CA+6mNeqcrV5DOxCSkpituEa8fbcfoLxp2jtNCp9OZ0h_i_XVyg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADn+HswHKqqVZqRkt4utZUn+_pxXn3icOJyNDrUQtQQZvnK-=w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAENxBwzjAhJ58Pyu=fx27TJ77jSEsejbPf+N0ctkrFsrt3+F-Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+6mNepOOSSLWg3KPjKc78G0vvzcw_Y=iH3Sb_Ojivy6062=1g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAENxBwx1hxy4gMO6wnQaWvjP0S6crKT625Rfgq2Gk0b+8kbV9A@mail.gmail.com>

On Monday, July 8, 2019, Sujit K M <kmsujit at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 8:12 PM Edward Capriolo <edlinuxguru at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 10:14 AM Brian Coca <briancoca+nycbug at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "try not, do or do not, there is no try!"
>>>
>>> It is kind of a poor man's exception handler.
>>>
>>> They should either really add exception handling or stick with the
>>> 'if' err', 1/2 measures like that will end up with worst of both
>>> worlds.
>>>
>>>
>>> -------------
>>> Brian Coca
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> talk mailing list
>>> talk at lists.nycbug.org
>>> http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>
>>
>> Agree. I do not find it useful without catch or finally. The fact that
>> they have to propose such a minimal try and get no traction seems on par
>> with common google style. Some of the comments about nested try being
>> unreadable are obvious. You typically do not nest try even in languages
>> where you can.
>>
>>
> Found some thing interesting why Go avoids Exceptions. It is the way they
> think I guess.
> https://dave.cheney.net/2012/01/18/why-go-gets-exceptions-right
>

 You can?t throw an exception inside a method without annotating that
method?s signature to indicate you may do so, and you can?t call a method
that may throw an exception without wrapping it in code to handle the
potential exception. Via the magic of compile time bondage and discipline
the error problem is solved, right?

Wrong. There are checked and unchecked exceptions in java. You DONT have to
annotate the method if the exception is an unchecked exception.

Author spends way to much time wrongfully explaining how other languages
work and I got tired of reading before the go part.

Moral of the story , they were able to add good and try catch to perl. But
go folks cant get it done.


-- 
Sorry this was sent from mobile. Will do less grammar and spell check than
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From edlinuxguru at gmail.com  Mon Jul  8 18:33:54 2019
From: edlinuxguru at gmail.com (Edward Capriolo)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 18:33:54 -0400
Subject: [talk] try() in golang
In-Reply-To: <CA+6mNepOOSSLWg3KPjKc78G0vvzcw_Y=iH3Sb_Ojivy6062=1g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ab49c7d0-db0d-43c5-d5c4-8129fd6600ff@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <CA+6mNeqcrV5DOxCSkpituEa8fbcfoLxp2jtNCp9OZ0h_i_XVyg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADn+HswHKqqVZqRkt4utZUn+_pxXn3icOJyNDrUQtQQZvnK-=w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAENxBwzjAhJ58Pyu=fx27TJ77jSEsejbPf+N0ctkrFsrt3+F-Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+6mNepOOSSLWg3KPjKc78G0vvzcw_Y=iH3Sb_Ojivy6062=1g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAENxBwymycrxydinD6W1rHmfytLUk03QKAK3_h8N7Oj0J=6eQQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Monday, July 8, 2019, Sujit K M <kmsujit at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 8:12 PM Edward Capriolo <edlinuxguru at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 10:14 AM Brian Coca <briancoca+nycbug at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "try not, do or do not, there is no try!"
>>>
>>> It is kind of a poor man's exception handler.
>>>
>>> They should either really add exception handling or stick with the
>>> 'if' err', 1/2 measures like that will end up with worst of both
>>> worlds.
>>>
>>>
>>> -------------
>>> Brian Coca
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> talk mailing list
>>> talk at lists.nycbug.org
>>> http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>
>>
>> Agree. I do not find it useful without catch or finally. The fact that
>> they have to propose such a minimal try and get no traction seems on par
>> with common google style. Some of the comments about nested try being
>> unreadable are obvious. You typically do not nest try even in languages
>> where you can.
>>
>>
> Found some thing interesting why Go avoids Exceptions. It is the way they
> think I guess.
> https://dave.cheney.net/2012/01/18/why-go-gets-exceptions-right
>

 You can?t throw an exception inside a method without annotating that
method?s signature to indicate you may do so, and you can?t call a method
that may throw an exception without wrapping it in code to handle the
potential exception. Via the magic of compile time bondage and discipline
the error problem is solved, right?

Wrong. There are checked and unchecked exceptions in java. You DONT have to
annotate the method if the exception is an unchecked exception.

Author spends way to much time wrongfully explaining how other languages
work and I got tired of reading before the go part.

Moral of the story , they were able to add good and try catch to perl. But
go folks cant get it done.


-- 
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From mcevoy.pat at gmail.com  Wed Jul 10 08:58:41 2019
From: mcevoy.pat at gmail.com (Pat McEvoy)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 08:58:41 -0400
Subject: [talk] NYC*BUG Tonight!
Message-ID: <2692035E-8246-4B6D-926A-92DD6EC76CDA@gmail.com>

Next NYC*Bug: Tonight!
Everyday ZFS, by Brian Reynolds  2019-07-10 
@ 18:45 - Suspenders, 108 Greenwich Street
More Info:
https://www.nycbug.org/index?action=view&id=10669


Patrick McEvoy

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From raulcuza at gmail.com  Wed Jul 10 13:53:12 2019
From: raulcuza at gmail.com (Raul Cuza)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 13:53:12 -0400
Subject: [talk] NYC*BUG Tonight!
In-Reply-To: <2692035E-8246-4B6D-926A-92DD6EC76CDA@gmail.com>
References: <2692035E-8246-4B6D-926A-92DD6EC76CDA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOnfn2wUMq+xxDjtkv5PC9h5-LVTwDXdm_EQgev2VNNfUjWJ-w@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 8:59 AM Pat McEvoy <mcevoy.pat at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Next NYC*Bug: Tonight!
>
> Everyday ZFS, by Brian Reynolds  2019-07-10
>
> @ 18:45 - Suspenders, 108 Greenwich Street
>
> More Info:
>
> https://www.nycbug.org/index?action=view&id=10669
>
>
> Patrick McEvoy

I wont be able to make it tonight. Hopefully I will see you at the next meeting.

Ra?l



From viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com  Wed Jul 10 14:25:04 2019
From: viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com (Robert Menes)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 14:25:04 -0400
Subject: [talk] NYC*BUG Tonight!
In-Reply-To: <2692035E-8246-4B6D-926A-92DD6EC76CDA@gmail.com>
References: <2692035E-8246-4B6D-926A-92DD6EC76CDA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+TaHT1zGdySvCXzAvZ-xVxCi4oyhtquT3T_a+7SPLibX38dCA@mail.gmail.com>

I'll be there tonight!

--Robert

On Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 08:59 Pat McEvoy <mcevoy.pat at gmail.com> wrote:

> Next NYC*Bug: Tonight!
>
> Everyday ZFS, by Brian Reynolds  2019-07-10
>
> @ 18:45 - Suspenders, 108 Greenwich Street
>
> More Info:
> https://www.nycbug.org/index?action=view&id=10669
>
>
> Patrick McEvoy
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
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From recourse at gmail.com  Wed Jul 10 15:29:51 2019
From: recourse at gmail.com (Joseph Jackson)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 14:29:51 -0500
Subject: [talk] NYC*BUG Tonight!
In-Reply-To: <CA+TaHT1zGdySvCXzAvZ-xVxCi4oyhtquT3T_a+7SPLibX38dCA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2692035E-8246-4B6D-926A-92DD6EC76CDA@gmail.com>
 <CA+TaHT1zGdySvCXzAvZ-xVxCi4oyhtquT3T_a+7SPLibX38dCA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFd0Q36+4j_iU2+EKNwp48vKtC9AF9DB+PSmX8SvG_pQjcMe=A@mail.gmail.com>

I just joined this list and now its making me wish I lived in NYC.

Stupid Denton Texas.  There aren't any user groups here.


On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 1:25 PM Robert Menes <viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I'll be there tonight!
>
> --Robert
>
> On Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 08:59 Pat McEvoy <mcevoy.pat at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Next NYC*Bug: Tonight!
>>
>> Everyday ZFS, by Brian Reynolds  2019-07-10
>>
>> @ 18:45 - Suspenders, 108 Greenwich Street
>>
>> More Info:
>> https://www.nycbug.org/index?action=view&id=10669
>>
>>
>> Patrick McEvoy
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> talk mailing list
>> talk at lists.nycbug.org
>> http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
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From mwlucas at michaelwlucas.com  Wed Jul 10 15:48:05 2019
From: mwlucas at michaelwlucas.com (Michael W. Lucas)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 15:48:05 -0400
Subject: [talk] NYC*BUG Tonight!
In-Reply-To: <CAFd0Q36+4j_iU2+EKNwp48vKtC9AF9DB+PSmX8SvG_pQjcMe=A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2692035E-8246-4B6D-926A-92DD6EC76CDA@gmail.com>
 <CA+TaHT1zGdySvCXzAvZ-xVxCi4oyhtquT3T_a+7SPLibX38dCA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFd0Q36+4j_iU2+EKNwp48vKtC9AF9DB+PSmX8SvG_pQjcMe=A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20190710194805.GA63434@mail.mwl.io>

On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 02:29:51PM -0500, Joseph Jackson wrote:
>    I just joined this list and now its making me wish I lived in NYC.
>    Stupid Denton Texas.?  There aren't any user groups here.


I would encourage anyone in your position to start a user group. I
would have sworn that there were maybe three of us in Detroit, and now
a good dozen folks show up to semibug meetings.

==ml


-- 
Michael W. Lucas 	https://mwl.io/
author of: Absolute OpenBSD, SSH Mastery, git commit murder,
Immortal Clay, PGP & GPG, Absolute FreeBSD, etc, etc, etc...



From mcevoy.pat at gmail.com  Wed Jul 10 16:41:43 2019
From: mcevoy.pat at gmail.com (Pat McEvoy)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 16:41:43 -0400
Subject: [talk] NYC*BUG Tonight!
In-Reply-To: <CAFd0Q36+4j_iU2+EKNwp48vKtC9AF9DB+PSmX8SvG_pQjcMe=A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2692035E-8246-4B6D-926A-92DD6EC76CDA@gmail.com>
 <CA+TaHT1zGdySvCXzAvZ-xVxCi4oyhtquT3T_a+7SPLibX38dCA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFd0Q36+4j_iU2+EKNwp48vKtC9AF9DB+PSmX8SvG_pQjcMe=A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5A4080D6-A8B0-40D7-8EE3-33628AFC7837@gmail.com>




> On Jul 10, 2019, at 3:29 PM, Joseph Jackson <recourse at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I just joined this list and now its making me wish I lived in NYC.
> 
> Stupid Denton Texas.  There aren't any user groups here.
> 

We do plan to stream:

Http://www.nycbug.org/index.cgi?action=streaming 

Also,
SemiBug is a great meeting if you ever get out that way. There are a number of resources out there if/when you plan to start a *bug. Make contact with this list when you are ready and you will be pleasantly surprised how generous the *BSD community is. If you attend the Bug BOF @BSDCan you will also get some very helpful advice. Best starting out advice we heard at the last *bug BOF @BSDCan, commit to running 6 months of running a *Bug at a specific monthly time and place and take it from there. Food places can be very accommodating, especially on slower nights. Heck, you chose a good Texas BBQ Join, you may get out-of-staters! Best of luck!
P



> 
>> On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 1:25 PM Robert Menes <viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'll be there tonight!
>> 
>> --Robert
>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 08:59 Pat McEvoy <mcevoy.pat at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Next NYC*Bug: Tonight!
>>> Everyday ZFS, by Brian Reynolds  2019-07-10 
>>> @ 18:45 - Suspenders, 108 Greenwich Street
>>> More Info:
>>> https://www.nycbug.org/index?action=view&id=10669
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Patrick McEvoy
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> talk mailing list
>>> talk at lists.nycbug.org
>>> http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk
>> _______________________________________________
>> talk mailing list
>> talk at lists.nycbug.org
>> http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk
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From pete at nomadlogic.org  Wed Jul 10 17:08:12 2019
From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 14:08:12 -0700
Subject: [talk] NYC*BUG Tonight!
In-Reply-To: <5A4080D6-A8B0-40D7-8EE3-33628AFC7837@gmail.com>
References: <2692035E-8246-4B6D-926A-92DD6EC76CDA@gmail.com>
 <CA+TaHT1zGdySvCXzAvZ-xVxCi4oyhtquT3T_a+7SPLibX38dCA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFd0Q36+4j_iU2+EKNwp48vKtC9AF9DB+PSmX8SvG_pQjcMe=A@mail.gmail.com>
 <5A4080D6-A8B0-40D7-8EE3-33628AFC7837@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54c1e89a-e2cb-cb95-090a-8c01e18a591e@nomadlogic.org>



On 7/10/19 1:41 PM, Pat McEvoy wrote:
>
>
>
> On Jul 10, 2019, at 3:29 PM, Joseph Jackson <recourse at gmail.com 
> <mailto:recourse at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> I just joined this list and now its making me wish I lived in NYC.
>>
>> Stupid Denton Texas.? There aren't any user groups here.
>>
>
> We do plan to stream:
>
> Http://www.nycbug.org/index.cgi?action=streaming
>
> Also,
> SemiBug is a great meeting if you ever get out that way. There are a 
> number of resources out there if/when you plan to start a *bug. Make 
> contact with this list when you are ready and you will be pleasantly 
> surprised how generous the *BSD community is. If you attend the Bug 
> BOF @BSDCan you will also get some very helpful advice. Best starting 
> out advice we heard at the last *bug BOF @BSDCan, commit to running 6 
> months of running a *Bug at a specific monthly time and place and take 
> it from there. Food places can be very accommodating, especially on 
> slower nights. Heck, you chose a good Texas BBQ Join, you may get 
> out-of-staters! Best of luck!
> P
>
>

this is starting to sound like a great meeting topic "how to start up 
your own local BUG" =)

i was lucky, i just got to ride on gman, .ike and okan's coat-tails lol.

-pete

-- 
Pete Wright
pete at nomadlogic.org
@nomadlogicLA

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From spork at bway.net  Wed Jul 10 17:52:03 2019
From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 17:52:03 -0400
Subject: [talk] NYC*BUG Tonight!
In-Reply-To: <54c1e89a-e2cb-cb95-090a-8c01e18a591e@nomadlogic.org>
References: <2692035E-8246-4B6D-926A-92DD6EC76CDA@gmail.com>
 <CA+TaHT1zGdySvCXzAvZ-xVxCi4oyhtquT3T_a+7SPLibX38dCA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFd0Q36+4j_iU2+EKNwp48vKtC9AF9DB+PSmX8SvG_pQjcMe=A@mail.gmail.com>
 <5A4080D6-A8B0-40D7-8EE3-33628AFC7837@gmail.com>
 <54c1e89a-e2cb-cb95-090a-8c01e18a591e@nomadlogic.org>
Message-ID: <07D16E24-6356-4106-8497-A8DF58E5D41E@bway.net>


-- 
Charles Sprickman
NetEng/SysAdmin
Bway.net - New York's Best Internet www.bway.net
spork at bway.net - 212.982.9800



> On Jul 10, 2019, at 5:08 PM, Pete Wright <pete at nomadlogic.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/10/19 1:41 PM, Pat McEvoy wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 10, 2019, at 3:29 PM, Joseph Jackson <recourse at gmail.com <mailto:recourse at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I just joined this list and now its making me wish I lived in NYC.
>>> 
>>> Stupid Denton Texas.  There aren't any user groups here.
>>> 
>> 
>> We do plan to stream:
>> 
>> Http://www.nycbug.org/index.cgi?action=streaming <http://www.nycbug.org/index.cgi?action=streaming> 
>> 
>> Also,
>> SemiBug is a great meeting if you ever get out that way. There are a number of resources out there if/when you plan to start a *bug. Make contact with this list when you are ready and you will be pleasantly surprised how generous the *BSD community is. If you attend the Bug BOF @BSDCan you will also get some very helpful advice. Best starting out advice we heard at the last *bug BOF @BSDCan, commit to running 6 months of running a *Bug at a specific monthly time and place and take it from there. Food places can be very accommodating, especially on slower nights. Heck, you chose a good Texas BBQ Join, you may get out-of-staters! Best of luck!
>> P
>> 
>> 
> 
> this is starting to sound like a great meeting topic "how to start up your own local BUG" =)

I wish the NJ NYI FreeBSD nerds would just start a group out of their Bridgewater location. :)

C

> 
> i was lucky, i just got to ride on gman, .ike and okan's coat-tails lol.
> 
> -pete
> 
> -- 
> Pete Wright
> pete at nomadlogic.org <mailto:pete at nomadlogic.org>
> @nomadlogicLA
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
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From viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com  Wed Jul 10 18:32:32 2019
From: viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com (Robert Menes)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 18:32:32 -0400
Subject: [talk] NYC*BUG Tonight!
In-Reply-To: <2692035E-8246-4B6D-926A-92DD6EC76CDA@gmail.com>
References: <2692035E-8246-4B6D-926A-92DD6EC76CDA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+TaHT26KaXi4_w=__jtqdAya-6AzJDZsso4JYK+bepT+Wjhew@mail.gmail.com>

I just arrived at the bar.

On Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 08:59 Pat McEvoy <mcevoy.pat at gmail.com> wrote:

> Next NYC*Bug: Tonight!
>
> Everyday ZFS, by Brian Reynolds  2019-07-10
>
> @ 18:45 - Suspenders, 108 Greenwich Street
>
> More Info:
> https://www.nycbug.org/index?action=view&id=10669
>
>
> Patrick McEvoy
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk
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From viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com  Thu Jul 11 14:39:13 2019
From: viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com (Robert Menes)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 14:39:13 -0400
Subject: [talk] Haven't seen any new netbsd/hpcmips images lately
Message-ID: <CA+TaHT0onMnJwo6wM6AjZhwgSqKcFpMcND19=RaPoAOw6CheCA@mail.gmail.com>

Hey everyone,

Up until a year or so ago, I'd see emails about NetBSD images for hpcmips
rolled and provided by Jun Ebihara spring up in my mailbox. These were
great for my WorkPad Z50: dd to a CF card, pop into the WP, and launch
right into NetBSD. Fully idiot-proof and great for entry into the OS.

As of late, though, I haven't seen any announcements from Jun and I was
wondering if he's still working on the hpcmips port or not. I'd love to get
NetBSD 8.1 on my WorkPad.

(Also I should get my WorkPad out again and mess around with it!)

--Robert
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From jun at soum.co.jp  Sat Jul 13 08:08:44 2019
From: jun at soum.co.jp (Jun Ebihara)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 21:08:44 +0900 (JST)
Subject: [talk] Haven't seen any new netbsd/hpcmips images lately
In-Reply-To: <CA+TaHT0onMnJwo6wM6AjZhwgSqKcFpMcND19=RaPoAOw6CheCA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+TaHT0onMnJwo6wM6AjZhwgSqKcFpMcND19=RaPoAOw6CheCA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20190713.210844.368415876222294131.jun@soum.co.jp>

From: Robert Menes <viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com>
Subject: [talk] Haven't seen any new netbsd/hpcmips images lately
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 14:39:13 -0400

> As of late, though, I haven't seen any announcements from Jun and I was
> wondering if he's still working on the hpcmips port or not. I'd love to get
> NetBSD 8.1 on my WorkPad.

Yeah!Thank you for your notification.
I work around pinebook.and finished 
OpenSourceConference Nagoya demonstration,4hours ago.
Try to make hpcmips for OpenSourceConference Kyoto.

btw.
searching RPI4 serial port address.
--
Jun Ebihara



From viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com  Sat Jul 13 12:13:47 2019
From: viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com (Robert Menes)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 12:13:47 -0400
Subject: [talk] Haven't seen any new netbsd/hpcmips images lately
In-Reply-To: <20190713.210844.368415876222294131.jun@soum.co.jp>
References: <CA+TaHT0onMnJwo6wM6AjZhwgSqKcFpMcND19=RaPoAOw6CheCA@mail.gmail.com>
 <20190713.210844.368415876222294131.jun@soum.co.jp>
Message-ID: <CA+TaHT0qCWCTbqJZCCBBZzfey7T=M6OpHKJ1ZkcDZj+D7SgArg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jun,

Glad to know you're still doing the hpcmips port! No rush on new images; I
was just curious because I haven't seen you posting on the list as of late.

--Robert

On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 08:08 Jun Ebihara <jun at soum.co.jp> wrote:

> From: Robert Menes <viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com>
> Subject: [talk] Haven't seen any new netbsd/hpcmips images lately
> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 14:39:13 -0400
>
> > As of late, though, I haven't seen any announcements from Jun and I was
> > wondering if he's still working on the hpcmips port or not. I'd love to
> get
> > NetBSD 8.1 on my WorkPad.
>
> Yeah!Thank you for your notification.
> I work around pinebook.and finished
> OpenSourceConference Nagoya demonstration,4hours ago.
> Try to make hpcmips for OpenSourceConference Kyoto.
>
> btw.
> searching RPI4 serial port address.
> --
> Jun Ebihara
>
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From jun at soum.co.jp  Thu Jul 18 05:35:06 2019
From: jun at soum.co.jp (Jun Ebihara)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 18:35:06 +0900 (JST)
Subject: [talk] Haven't seen any new netbsd/hpcmips images lately
In-Reply-To: <CA+TaHT0onMnJwo6wM6AjZhwgSqKcFpMcND19=RaPoAOw6CheCA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+TaHT0onMnJwo6wM6AjZhwgSqKcFpMcND19=RaPoAOw6CheCA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20190718.183506.249270857724288994.jun@soum.co.jp>

From: Robert Menes <viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com>
Subject: [talk] Haven't seen any new netbsd/hpcmips images lately
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 14:39:13 -0400

> wondering if he's still working on the hpcmips port or not. I'd love to get
> NetBSD 8.1 on my WorkPad.
> (Also I should get my WorkPad out again and mess around with it!)

put hpcmips -current for NetBSD9.
http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-mips/2019/07/18/msg000880.html

dmesg:
https://github.com/ebijun/NetBSD/blob/master/dmesg/hpcmips/INTERTOP_CX300
--
Jun Ebihara



From viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com  Thu Jul 18 07:21:33 2019
From: viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com (Robert Menes)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 07:21:33 -0400
Subject: [talk] Haven't seen any new netbsd/hpcmips images lately
In-Reply-To: <20190718.183506.249270857724288994.jun@soum.co.jp>
References: <CA+TaHT0onMnJwo6wM6AjZhwgSqKcFpMcND19=RaPoAOw6CheCA@mail.gmail.com>
 <20190718.183506.249270857724288994.jun@soum.co.jp>
Message-ID: <CA+TaHT0J6jEL4Q_fvpcZmY-URs=kvY47mxLtnYMKEwUQAzNZOQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks! I'll give the current release a try!

--Robert

On Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 05:35 Jun Ebihara <jun at soum.co.jp> wrote:

> From: Robert Menes <viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com>
> Subject: [talk] Haven't seen any new netbsd/hpcmips images lately
> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 14:39:13 -0400
>
> > wondering if he's still working on the hpcmips port or not. I'd love to
> get
> > NetBSD 8.1 on my WorkPad.
> > (Also I should get my WorkPad out again and mess around with it!)
>
> put hpcmips -current for NetBSD9.
> http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-mips/2019/07/18/msg000880.html
>
> dmesg:
> https://github.com/ebijun/NetBSD/blob/master/dmesg/hpcmips/INTERTOP_CX300
> --
> Jun Ebihara
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From mcevoy.pat at gmail.com  Mon Jul 29 09:33:55 2019
From: mcevoy.pat at gmail.com (Pat McEvoy)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 09:33:55 -0400
Subject: [talk] NYC*BUG
Message-ID: <8544A7C3-5688-46D4-99E1-48FB933ED1E9@gmail.com>

Video on OpenBSD, Andre Buskvekster
2019-08-07 @ 18:45 - Suspenders, 108 Greenwich Street; typically on the second floor, otherwise on the first


More info:

https://www.nycbug.org/index?action=view&id=10670


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From mcevoy.pat at gmail.com  Mon Jul 29 09:34:48 2019
From: mcevoy.pat at gmail.com (Pat McEvoy)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 09:34:48 -0400
Subject: [talk] Next NYC*BUG: Aug 7th
Message-ID: <B7AD9510-487D-4C42-99C7-8FD7F9706A8D@gmail.com>

Video on OpenBSD, Andre Buskvekster
2019-08-07 @ 18:45 - Suspenders, 108 Greenwich Street; typically on the second floor, otherwise on the first

More info:

https://www.nycbug.org/index?action=view&id=10670




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From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Mon Jul 29 21:49:00 2019
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 01:49:00 +0000
Subject: [talk] 5GHz wireless adapters
Message-ID: <b253b113-49cb-6522-063a-278e9cfbb20c@ceetonetechnology.com>

Greetings.

I'm in a situation where the only decent wireless network is at 5GHz and
I'm running OpenBSD -current with a variety of older run(4) iwn(4) and
urtwn(4) devices.... which only do 2.4GHz.

Can anyone recommend hardware (not just the chipsets) that support 5GHz
on the spectrum for OpenBSD?

Bonus points if they carry them at a retail outlet in NYC.

USB nubs preferred, while mini pci is a longer term option.

g



From callab5 at rpi.edu  Mon Jul 29 22:09:26 2019
From: callab5 at rpi.edu (Brian Callahan)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 22:09:26 -0400
Subject: [talk] 5GHz wireless adapters
In-Reply-To: <b253b113-49cb-6522-063a-278e9cfbb20c@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <b253b113-49cb-6522-063a-278e9cfbb20c@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <7bef98c9-7ea8-43b6-5920-572cfef00c19@rpi.edu>



On 7/29/19 9:49 PM, George Rosamond wrote:
> Greetings.
>
> I'm in a situation where the only decent wireless network is at 5GHz and
> I'm running OpenBSD -current with a variety of older run(4) iwn(4) and
> urtwn(4) devices.... which only do 2.4GHz.
>
> Can anyone recommend hardware (not just the chipsets) that support 5GHz
> on the spectrum for OpenBSD?
>
> Bonus points if they carry them at a retail outlet in NYC.
>
> USB nubs preferred, while mini pci is a longer term option.

While bwfm(4) does technically have USB support, I don't think I've ever 
seen or heard of a wifi dongle with that chipset.

There are several options for iwm(4). Though if you're currently using 
iwn(4) devices, then I think that limits your upgrade options to the 3160:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-HP-710662-001-Intel-Dual-Band-Wireless-AC-3160-3160HMW-Bluetooth-PCIe-Half/312495865625

Although now that I look, I found a 7260 in the older half-height style:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dual-Band-Wireless-Intel-7260-7260HMW-867M-BT4-0-802-11ac-Mini-PCI-E-Wifi-Card/190897053836

I have a 3165 in my current laptop and it works great on 5G.

~Brian



From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Mon Jul 29 23:32:00 2019
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 03:32:00 +0000
Subject: [talk] 5GHz wireless adapters
In-Reply-To: <7bef98c9-7ea8-43b6-5920-572cfef00c19@rpi.edu>
References: <b253b113-49cb-6522-063a-278e9cfbb20c@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <7bef98c9-7ea8-43b6-5920-572cfef00c19@rpi.edu>
Message-ID: <469ed399-3d76-bdbb-3189-aa636677e819@ceetonetechnology.com>



Brian Callahan:
> 
> 
> On 7/29/19 9:49 PM, George Rosamond wrote:
>> Greetings.
>>
>> I'm in a situation where the only decent wireless network is at 5GHz and
>> I'm running OpenBSD -current with a variety of older run(4) iwn(4) and
>> urtwn(4) devices.... which only do 2.4GHz.
>>
>> Can anyone recommend hardware (not just the chipsets) that support 5GHz
>> on the spectrum for OpenBSD?
>>
>> Bonus points if they carry them at a retail outlet in NYC.
>>
>> USB nubs preferred, while mini pci is a longer term option.
> 
> While bwfm(4) does technically have USB support, I don't think I've ever
> seen or heard of a wifi dongle with that chipset.
> 
> There are several options for iwm(4). Though if you're currently using
> iwn(4) devices, then I think that limits your upgrade options to the 3160:
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-HP-710662-001-Intel-Dual-Band-Wireless-AC-3160-3160HMW-Bluetooth-PCIe-Half/312495865625
> 

Yes, I should have noted I have an Intel Centrino Wireless-N 2200 in
there now...

> 
> Although now that I look, I found a 7260 in the older half-height style:
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dual-Band-Wireless-Intel-7260-7260HMW-867M-BT4-0-802-11ac-Mini-PCI-E-Wifi-Card/190897053836
> 
> 
> I have a 3165 in my current laptop and it works great on 5G.

Nice.  On dmesgd?  I forgot about the Lenovo wireless whitelist that
stops me from hurting myself.  Not sure if they rectified themselves
with a more recent BIOS update more recently.

https://superuser.com/questions/758119/is-there-any-any-802-11ac-card-that-will-work-in-x230

Thanks.

g



From callab5 at rpi.edu  Mon Jul 29 23:34:54 2019
From: callab5 at rpi.edu (Brian Callahan)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 23:34:54 -0400
Subject: [talk] 5GHz wireless adapters
In-Reply-To: <469ed399-3d76-bdbb-3189-aa636677e819@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <b253b113-49cb-6522-063a-278e9cfbb20c@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <7bef98c9-7ea8-43b6-5920-572cfef00c19@rpi.edu>
 <469ed399-3d76-bdbb-3189-aa636677e819@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <55449b94-6890-fa58-358e-658ad76e4582@rpi.edu>



On 7/29/19 11:32 PM, George Rosamond wrote:
>> Although now that I look, I found a 7260 in the older half-height style:
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dual-Band-Wireless-Intel-7260-7260HMW-867M-BT4-0-802-11ac-Mini-PCI-E-Wifi-Card/190897053836
>>
>>
>> I have a 3165 in my current laptop and it works great on 5G.
> Nice.  On dmesgd?

Yup. It's this one: https://dmesgd.nycbug.org/index.cgi?do=view&id=5016
iwm0 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 "Intel Dual Band Wireless AC 3165" rev 
0x79, msi

~Brian



From ibsens at ripsbusker.no.eu.org  Tue Jul 30 00:48:50 2019
From: ibsens at ripsbusker.no.eu.org (Ibsen S Ripsbusker)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 04:48:50 +0000
Subject: [talk] 5GHz wireless adapters and DB9 cables
In-Reply-To: <55449b94-6890-fa58-358e-658ad76e4582@rpi.edu>
References: <b253b113-49cb-6522-063a-278e9cfbb20c@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <7bef98c9-7ea8-43b6-5920-572cfef00c19@rpi.edu>
 <469ed399-3d76-bdbb-3189-aa636677e819@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <55449b94-6890-fa58-358e-658ad76e4582@rpi.edu>
Message-ID: <1be3d7ac-26a5-44c3-b497-91796397e28d@www.fastmail.com>

I have lots of wifi devices that I got in hopes that one would work. I'm pretty sure they are all supported, but I still find wires easier. I will look for 5Ghz and bring any such devices.

Even so, I am recently finding that even Ethernet wire can be too much work for incompetent me. Would anyone like to trade a DB9 cable for a beer?



From kmsujit at gmail.com  Tue Jul 30 08:10:34 2019
From: kmsujit at gmail.com (Sujit K M)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 17:40:34 +0530
Subject: [talk] 5GHz wireless adapters and DB9 cables
In-Reply-To: <1be3d7ac-26a5-44c3-b497-91796397e28d@www.fastmail.com>
References: <b253b113-49cb-6522-063a-278e9cfbb20c@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <7bef98c9-7ea8-43b6-5920-572cfef00c19@rpi.edu>
 <469ed399-3d76-bdbb-3189-aa636677e819@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <55449b94-6890-fa58-358e-658ad76e4582@rpi.edu>
 <1be3d7ac-26a5-44c3-b497-91796397e28d@www.fastmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+6mNeq=GYy9TdZxfLMNw4=aA-VgnMv6TVaLEw+ChZ2nHqLh1g@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 10:19 AM Ibsen S Ripsbusker <
ibsens at ripsbusker.no.eu.org> wrote:

> I have lots of wifi devices that I got in hopes that one would work. I'm
> pretty sure they are all supported, but I still find wires easier. I will
> look for 5Ghz and bring any such devices.
>
> Even so, I am recently finding that even Ethernet wire can be too much
> work for incompetent me. Would anyone like to trade a DB9 cable for a beer?
>

Though I might be a little less knowledgeable in how to configure it via
command line, but wpa_supplicant and network manager does the trick every
time. It takes some time to accept to do this as it is horrible to from
what was there and what we do today, also looks like we are doing more
command line now a days. But the command line option is horrible and for me
it never works.

_______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk
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