[talk] ZFS FreeBSD future confusion?

Pat McEvoy mcevoy.pat at gmail.com
Thu Jun 13 17:52:37 EDT 2019

On Jun 12, 2019, at 5:27 PM, Isaac (.ike) Levy <ike at blackskyresearch.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 12, 2019, at 4:46 PM, Warner Losh wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 12:35 PM Isaac (.ike) Levy 
>> <ike at blackskyresearch.net> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Jun 12, 2019, at 2:20 PM, Isaac (.ike) Levy wrote:
>>>> Aside from trying to keep up with 40-char tweets, has *anyone* in the 
>>>> FreeBSD universe written up a clear public statement about the state of 
>>>> things- and the future plans?
>>>> (Like a plain language, coherent, paragraph or two.)
>>> Oh- I sortof found the answers I wanted on page 17 in Alan Jude's slide deck:
>>> "Fighting the FUD
>>> ●This news resulted in some immediate negative gut reactions
>>> ●There is only one OpenZFS, we are all in this together
>>> ●FreeBSD will get features sooner, be more involved upstream
>>> ●Linux uses the SPL (Solaris Porting Layer) to run ZFS code as close to the illumos upstream as possible
>>> ●FreeBSD does similar, so using ZoL code will not inject Linux or GPL code into the FreeBSD kernel
>>> ●No Linux-KPI shims are used for ZFS code"
>>> Sounds rational. I'm still feeling shaky, ZFS on FreeBSD is just *so darned good* right now.
>> Basically, ZoL and FreeBSD had Illumos as our upstream. ZoL has added a 
>> bunch in a way that could be upstreamed, but weren't due to the extreme 
>> slow pace of Illumos taking changes, as well as viability issues with 
>> Illumos. FreeBSD is rebasing from Illumos to ZoL because the official 
>> upstream of OpenZFS is moving from Illumos to ZoL because the efforts 
>> of adding the missing bits since the fork to ZoL was much smaller than 
>> vice versa. ZoL is an unfortunate name because it has the trigger word 
>> Linux in it. The ZoL folks are not the LKM folks, but quite reasonable 
>> people without the GPL politics getting in the way that caused Linux to 
>> be such a trigger word.
>> Warner
> Thanks Warner, very much appreciate this statement- a relief to see an excellent and clearly rational future for ZFS on FreeBSD!
> Looks like my paranoia was all due to:
> - Anything changing my filesystem makes me edgy
> - Linux/politics fud, looks like I got bit!
> Best,
> .ike
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Putting the finishing touches on “The future of ZFS” video from BSDCan 2019. Should be up tonight. Will post the link to this email chain. 

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