From spork at bway.net  Wed Oct  9 21:01:13 2019
From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2019 21:01:13 -0400
Subject: [talk] When is hardware too old?
Message-ID: <45D08F43-4AF1-4868-A6E5-37D14647F7EA@bway.net>

Hi all,

Some home lab advice?? So I?ve been gifted an old Dell R-720. It?s from 2012 or so, pretty old.

It has:

2 CPUs - Intel Xeon CPU E5-2609 0 @ 2.40GHz, 4 cores (8 w/hyperthreading)
48 GB RAM - DDR3 DIMM 1066MHz (6 x 8GB)
PERC 710 mini RAID controller w/512MB RAM and battery backup
4 Broadcom 1Gb/s NICs
600 GB Seagate 15K 3.5? drive x 5 (2 are showing errors, may or may not be bad)
iDRAC 7 (no enterprise license)

It all seems to be in working order, other than two possibly bad drives.

So? I have three options:

- recycle
- give away
- use for some VMs
- sell (maybe $300 if I?m lucky and go local w/craigslist?)

Now every now and then I find a need to spin up some weird linux distro or some other testing that I don?t really want to run in vmware on my desktop or laptop because it?s going to be around for a few weeks/months. My home ?server? is an older HP and I try not to use it for experiments, plus it only has 16GB of RAM.

I can tell this was originally used for a bunch of virtual machines, and if it can handle 6 instances of Windows Server 2012, then a few *BSD and Linux installs are going to do OK. The ?iDRAC? is on a trial enterprise license and it?s pretty nice - remote BIOS updates, java-less & flash-less remote KVM, there?s an SD slot to boot off of, it?s all pretty nice, even ?luxurious? for home use. I?d run the freebie vmware hypervisor just so I could move VMs between this box and my desktop w/o much fuss.

What I?d spend money on:

- bootleg iDRAC enterprise key ($30 on ebay)
- 2 or more large/cheap SSDs for VMs (I?d keep two of the existing drives for the OS - about $130 x2)

This is all much cheaper than introducing a new server.

Thoughts?

Thanks,

Charles


From thornton.richard at gmail.com  Wed Oct  9 21:25:22 2019
From: thornton.richard at gmail.com (Richard Thornton)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 01:25:22 +0000
Subject: [talk] When is hardware too old?
In-Reply-To: <45D08F43-4AF1-4868-A6E5-37D14647F7EA@bway.net>
References: <45D08F43-4AF1-4868-A6E5-37D14647F7EA@bway.net>
Message-ID: <DM6PR02MB437969C890BE6DD0BE61CD9FF1940@DM6PR02MB4379.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Seems like you got good machine! Is it noisy?

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From: talk <talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org> on behalf of Charles Sprickman <spork at bway.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 21:01
To: talk
Subject: [talk] When is hardware too old?

Hi all,

Some home lab advice?? So I?ve been gifted an old Dell R-720. It?s from 2012 or so, pretty old.

It has:

2 CPUs - Intel Xeon CPU E5-2609 0 @ 2.40GHz, 4 cores (8 w/hyperthreading)
48 GB RAM - DDR3 DIMM 1066MHz (6 x 8GB)
PERC 710 mini RAID controller w/512MB RAM and battery backup
4 Broadcom 1Gb/s NICs
600 GB Seagate 15K 3.5? drive x 5 (2 are showing errors, may or may not be bad)
iDRAC 7 (no enterprise license)

It all seems to be in working order, other than two possibly bad drives.

So? I have three options:

- recycle
- give away
- use for some VMs
- sell (maybe $300 if I?m lucky and go local w/craigslist?)

Now every now and then I find a need to spin up some weird linux distro or some other testing that I don?t really want to run in vmware on my desktop or laptop because it?s going to be around for a few weeks/months. My home ?server? is an older HP and I try not to use it for experiments, plus it only has 16GB of RAM.

I can tell this was originally used for a bunch of virtual machines, and if it can handle 6 instances of Windows Server 2012, then a few *BSD and Linux installs are going to do OK. The ?iDRAC? is on a trial enterprise license and it?s pretty nice - remote BIOS updates, java-less & flash-less remote KVM, there?s an SD slot to boot off of, it?s all pretty nice, even ?luxurious? for home use. I?d run the freebie vmware hypervisor just so I could move VMs between this box and my desktop w/o much fuss.

What I?d spend money on:

- bootleg iDRAC enterprise key ($30 on ebay)
- 2 or more large/cheap SSDs for VMs (I?d keep two of the existing drives for the OS - about $130 x2)

This is all much cheaper than introducing a new server.

Thoughts?

Thanks,

Charles
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From kmsujit at gmail.com  Thu Oct 10 00:17:25 2019
From: kmsujit at gmail.com (Sujit K M)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 09:47:25 +0530
Subject: [talk] When is hardware too old?
In-Reply-To: <45D08F43-4AF1-4868-A6E5-37D14647F7EA@bway.net>
References: <45D08F43-4AF1-4868-A6E5-37D14647F7EA@bway.net>
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On Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 6:31 AM Charles Sprickman <spork at bway.net> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Some home lab advice?? So I?ve been gifted an old Dell R-720. It?s from
> 2012 or so, pretty old.
>
> It has:
>
> 2 CPUs - Intel Xeon CPU E5-2609 0 @ 2.40GHz, 4 cores (8 w/hyperthreading)
> 48 GB RAM - DDR3 DIMM 1066MHz (6 x 8GB)
> PERC 710 mini RAID controller w/512MB RAM and battery backup
> 4 Broadcom 1Gb/s NICs
> 600 GB Seagate 15K 3.5? drive x 5 (2 are showing errors, may or may not be
> bad)
> iDRAC 7 (no enterprise license)
>
> It all seems to be in working order, other than two possibly bad drives.
>
> So? I have three options:
>
> - recycle
> - give away
> - use for some VMs
> - sell (maybe $300 if I?m lucky and go local w/craigslist?)
>
> Now every now and then I find a need to spin up some weird linux distro or
> some other testing that I don?t really want to run in vmware on my desktop
> or laptop because it?s going to be around for a few weeks/months. My home
> ?server? is an older HP and I try not to use it for experiments, plus it
> only has 16GB of RAM.
>
> I can tell this was originally used for a bunch of virtual machines, and
> if it can handle 6 instances of Windows Server 2012, then a few *BSD and
> Linux installs are going to do OK. The ?iDRAC? is on a trial enterprise
> license and it?s pretty nice - remote BIOS updates, java-less & flash-less
> remote KVM, there?s an SD slot to boot off of, it?s all pretty nice, even
> ?luxurious? for home use. I?d run the freebie vmware hypervisor just so I
> could move VMs between this box and my desktop w/o much fuss.
>
> What I?d spend money on:
>
> - bootleg iDRAC enterprise key ($30 on ebay)
> - 2 or more large/cheap SSDs for VMs (I?d keep two of the existing drives
> for the OS - about $130 x2)
>
> This is all much cheaper than introducing a new server.
>

Was in a similar position. Would keep a gifted free hardware to hack and do
personal work when needed.

Thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charles
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
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From spork at bway.net  Thu Oct 10 02:06:56 2019
From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 02:06:56 -0400
Subject: [talk] When is hardware too old?
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR02MB437969C890BE6DD0BE61CD9FF1940@DM6PR02MB4379.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <45D08F43-4AF1-4868-A6E5-37D14647F7EA@bway.net>
 <DM6PR02MB437969C890BE6DD0BE61CD9FF1940@DM6PR02MB4379.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <42827365-0808-49C4-9E27-3039B8713338@bway.net>


> On Oct 9, 2019, at 9:25 PM, Richard Thornton <thornton.richard at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Seems like you got good machine! Is it noisy?

It?s in the garage, so not a huge deal, but it?s actually really quiet once the OS is loaded. It is a 2U box, so it doesn?t have those really tiny/high-pitched whiney fans that 1U boxes have. I think if I move it to the other side of the room from my little workshop (which is where the server and firewall live) it will be largely inaudible.

Dealing with a chicken and egg situation on a drive firmware update - need windows to run the update, but the updater won?t run if anything in the RAID array is marked ?degraded?. Oh Dell...

C

> 
> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>  
> From: talk <talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org> on behalf of Charles Sprickman <spork at bway.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 21:01
> To: talk
> Subject: [talk] When is hardware too old?
>  
> Hi all,
> 
> Some home lab advice?? So I?ve been gifted an old Dell R-720. It?s from 2012 or so, pretty old.
> 
> It has:
> 
> 2 CPUs - Intel Xeon CPU E5-2609 0 @ 2.40GHz, 4 cores (8 w/hyperthreading)
> 48 GB RAM - DDR3 DIMM 1066MHz (6 x 8GB)
> PERC 710 mini RAID controller w/512MB RAM and battery backup
> 4 Broadcom 1Gb/s NICs
> 600 GB Seagate 15K 3.5? drive x 5 (2 are showing errors, may or may not be bad)
> iDRAC 7 (no enterprise license)
> 
> It all seems to be in working order, other than two possibly bad drives.
> 
> So? I have three options:
> 
> - recycle
> - give away
> - use for some VMs
> - sell (maybe $300 if I?m lucky and go local w/craigslist?)
> 
> Now every now and then I find a need to spin up some weird linux distro or some other testing that I don?t really want to run in vmware on my desktop or laptop because it?s going to be around for a few weeks/months. My home ?server? is an older HP and I try not to use it for experiments, plus it only has 16GB of RAM.
> 
> I can tell this was originally used for a bunch of virtual machines, and if it can handle 6 instances of Windows Server 2012, then a few *BSD and Linux installs are going to do OK. The ?iDRAC? is on a trial enterprise license and it?s pretty nice - remote BIOS updates, java-less & flash-less remote KVM, there?s an SD slot to boot off of, it?s all pretty nice, even ?luxurious? for home use. I?d run the freebie vmware hypervisor just so I could move VMs between this box and my desktop w/o much fuss.
> 
> What I?d spend money on:
> 
> - bootleg iDRAC enterprise key ($30 on ebay)
> - 2 or more large/cheap SSDs for VMs (I?d keep two of the existing drives for the OS - about $130 x2)
> 
> This is all much cheaper than introducing a new server.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Charles
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk

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From brian.gupta at gmail.com  Thu Oct 10 15:59:53 2019
From: brian.gupta at gmail.com (Brian Gupta)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 15:59:53 -0400
Subject: [talk] When is hardware too old?
In-Reply-To: <CA+6mNerawfkP=uAQBBEQHbUCBkJgyw2gQeZS0+YD=na9OutxXQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45D08F43-4AF1-4868-A6E5-37D14647F7EA@bway.net>
 <CA+6mNerawfkP=uAQBBEQHbUCBkJgyw2gQeZS0+YD=na9OutxXQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAGunsRV7EjN1331+8_XJZC9dL1AFxLP98=kBHJpYF4H_hBAEA@mail.gmail.com>

R710s and above are still decent machines. You can upgrade parts and
get a lot of cores and RAM. The R720 can be upgraded to 24 cores and
1.5TB RAM. They are datacenter-centric so are noisy especially when
powering on or running at load. However, loudness-wise an aquarium
that has a 6 inch waterfall will be louder. (I have a 720xd running
stress tests and it's not too bad. Barely bothersome from 10-15 ft
away.) It's hard to beat these machines for bang for the buck.
However, I probably wouldn't want to keep one permanently running in
my apartment, unless I had a 19" rack setup and am ok with a bit of
heat/noise, and a likely noticeable bump in my AC bill.

There is a huge aftermarket for these servers and their parts, that
will keep them in production use for many years to come, so I think
you had a nice score.

- Brian Gupta

On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 12:18 AM Sujit K M <kmsujit at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 6:31 AM Charles Sprickman <spork at bway.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Some home lab advice?? So I?ve been gifted an old Dell R-720. It?s from 2012 or so, pretty old.
>>
>> It has:
>>
>> 2 CPUs - Intel Xeon CPU E5-2609 0 @ 2.40GHz, 4 cores (8 w/hyperthreading)
>> 48 GB RAM - DDR3 DIMM 1066MHz (6 x 8GB)
>> PERC 710 mini RAID controller w/512MB RAM and battery backup
>> 4 Broadcom 1Gb/s NICs
>> 600 GB Seagate 15K 3.5? drive x 5 (2 are showing errors, may or may not be bad)
>> iDRAC 7 (no enterprise license)
>>
>> It all seems to be in working order, other than two possibly bad drives.
>>
>> So? I have three options:
>>
>> - recycle
>> - give away
>> - use for some VMs
>> - sell (maybe $300 if I?m lucky and go local w/craigslist?)
>>
>> Now every now and then I find a need to spin up some weird linux distro or some other testing that I don?t really want to run in vmware on my desktop or laptop because it?s going to be around for a few weeks/months. My home ?server? is an older HP and I try not to use it for experiments, plus it only has 16GB of RAM.
>>
>> I can tell this was originally used for a bunch of virtual machines, and if it can handle 6 instances of Windows Server 2012, then a few *BSD and Linux installs are going to do OK. The ?iDRAC? is on a trial enterprise license and it?s pretty nice - remote BIOS updates, java-less & flash-less remote KVM, there?s an SD slot to boot off of, it?s all pretty nice, even ?luxurious? for home use. I?d run the freebie vmware hypervisor just so I could move VMs between this box and my desktop w/o much fuss.
>>
>> What I?d spend money on:
>>
>> - bootleg iDRAC enterprise key ($30 on ebay)
>> - 2 or more large/cheap SSDs for VMs (I?d keep two of the existing drives for the OS - about $130 x2)
>>
>> This is all much cheaper than introducing a new server.
>
>
> Was in a similar position. Would keep a gifted free hardware to hack and do personal work when needed.
>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Charles
>> _______________________________________________
>> talk mailing list
>> talk at lists.nycbug.org
>> http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk



From imp at bsdimp.com  Thu Oct 10 16:14:57 2019
From: imp at bsdimp.com (Warner Losh)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 14:14:57 -0600
Subject: [talk] When is hardware too old?
In-Reply-To: <CAAGunsRV7EjN1331+8_XJZC9dL1AFxLP98=kBHJpYF4H_hBAEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45D08F43-4AF1-4868-A6E5-37D14647F7EA@bway.net>
 <CA+6mNerawfkP=uAQBBEQHbUCBkJgyw2gQeZS0+YD=na9OutxXQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAAGunsRV7EjN1331+8_XJZC9dL1AFxLP98=kBHJpYF4H_hBAEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANCZdfoNtdDz2mMzQ-2k_ePvPLSo78H76B-61QDXuMh5a_OfFw@mail.gmail.com>

When is hardware too old? I don't know... I just bought a hard disk card
for my 35-year-old DEC Rainbow-100...

Warner


On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 2:02 PM Brian Gupta <brian.gupta at gmail.com> wrote:

> R710s and above are still decent machines. You can upgrade parts and
> get a lot of cores and RAM. The R720 can be upgraded to 24 cores and
> 1.5TB RAM. They are datacenter-centric so are noisy especially when
> powering on or running at load. However, loudness-wise an aquarium
> that has a 6 inch waterfall will be louder. (I have a 720xd running
> stress tests and it's not too bad. Barely bothersome from 10-15 ft
> away.) It's hard to beat these machines for bang for the buck.
> However, I probably wouldn't want to keep one permanently running in
> my apartment, unless I had a 19" rack setup and am ok with a bit of
> heat/noise, and a likely noticeable bump in my AC bill.
>
> There is a huge aftermarket for these servers and their parts, that
> will keep them in production use for many years to come, so I think
> you had a nice score.
>
> - Brian Gupta
>
> On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 12:18 AM Sujit K M <kmsujit at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 6:31 AM Charles Sprickman <spork at bway.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> Some home lab advice?? So I?ve been gifted an old Dell R-720. It?s from
> 2012 or so, pretty old.
> >>
> >> It has:
> >>
> >> 2 CPUs - Intel Xeon CPU E5-2609 0 @ 2.40GHz, 4 cores (8
> w/hyperthreading)
> >> 48 GB RAM - DDR3 DIMM 1066MHz (6 x 8GB)
> >> PERC 710 mini RAID controller w/512MB RAM and battery backup
> >> 4 Broadcom 1Gb/s NICs
> >> 600 GB Seagate 15K 3.5? drive x 5 (2 are showing errors, may or may not
> be bad)
> >> iDRAC 7 (no enterprise license)
> >>
> >> It all seems to be in working order, other than two possibly bad drives.
> >>
> >> So? I have three options:
> >>
> >> - recycle
> >> - give away
> >> - use for some VMs
> >> - sell (maybe $300 if I?m lucky and go local w/craigslist?)
> >>
> >> Now every now and then I find a need to spin up some weird linux distro
> or some other testing that I don?t really want to run in vmware on my
> desktop or laptop because it?s going to be around for a few weeks/months.
> My home ?server? is an older HP and I try not to use it for experiments,
> plus it only has 16GB of RAM.
> >>
> >> I can tell this was originally used for a bunch of virtual machines,
> and if it can handle 6 instances of Windows Server 2012, then a few *BSD
> and Linux installs are going to do OK. The ?iDRAC? is on a trial enterprise
> license and it?s pretty nice - remote BIOS updates, java-less & flash-less
> remote KVM, there?s an SD slot to boot off of, it?s all pretty nice, even
> ?luxurious? for home use. I?d run the freebie vmware hypervisor just so I
> could move VMs between this box and my desktop w/o much fuss.
> >>
> >> What I?d spend money on:
> >>
> >> - bootleg iDRAC enterprise key ($30 on ebay)
> >> - 2 or more large/cheap SSDs for VMs (I?d keep two of the existing
> drives for the OS - about $130 x2)
> >>
> >> This is all much cheaper than introducing a new server.
> >
> >
> > Was in a similar position. Would keep a gifted free hardware to hack and
> do personal work when needed.
> >
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Charles
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> talk mailing list
> >> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> >> http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > talk mailing list
> > talk at lists.nycbug.org
> > http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk
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From jschauma at netmeister.org  Thu Oct 10 16:22:53 2019
From: jschauma at netmeister.org (Jan Schaumann)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 16:22:53 -0400
Subject: [talk] DNS over TLS
In-Reply-To: <1e6a92c1-a385-09ba-1856-7d4553895221@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <1e6a92c1-a385-09ba-1856-7d4553895221@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <20191010202253.GG14484@netmeister.org>

George Rosamond <george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote:
> If you haven't heard, Firefox is enabling DOT by default.

Picking up this old thread, because I just happened to
catch up a bit more in depth myself on DoT and DoH and
thought some of you might find my summary blog post
interesting:

https://www.netmeister.org/blog/doh-dot-dnssec.html

-Jan



From pete at nomadlogic.org  Fri Oct 11 22:05:37 2019
From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 19:05:37 -0700
Subject: [talk] When is hardware too old?
In-Reply-To: <45D08F43-4AF1-4868-A6E5-37D14647F7EA@bway.net>
References: <45D08F43-4AF1-4868-A6E5-37D14647F7EA@bway.net>
Message-ID: <114aec4f-f8a8-5408-698f-25779b7aa984@nomadlogic.org>



On 10/9/19 6:01 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Some home lab advice?? So I?ve been gifted an old Dell R-720. It?s from 2012 or so, pretty old.
>
> It has:
>
> 2 CPUs - Intel Xeon CPU E5-2609 0 @ 2.40GHz, 4 cores (8 w/hyperthreading)
> 48 GB RAM - DDR3 DIMM 1066MHz (6 x 8GB)
> PERC 710 mini RAID controller w/512MB RAM and battery backup
> 4 Broadcom 1Gb/s NICs
> 600 GB Seagate 15K 3.5? drive x 5 (2 are showing errors, may or may not be bad)
> iDRAC 7 (no enterprise license)
>
> It all seems to be in working order, other than two possibly bad drives.
>
> So? I have three options:
>
> - recycle
> - give away
> - use for some VMs
> - sell (maybe $300 if I?m lucky and go local w/craigslist?)

shoot the r720's are a pretty good form factor - i've used them pretty 
extensively mysql cluster nodes.? if i had the space i'd def keep it and 
use it for hosting a tor relay among other network services :^)

-pete


-- 
Pete Wright
pete at nomadlogic.org
@nomadlogicLA



From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Sun Oct 13 12:28:33 2019
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 12:28:33 -0400
Subject: [talk] Unix anniversary
Message-ID: <abd671ba-f182-db8d-a378-3596254070e1@ceetonetechnology.com>

Hate to post slashdot posts, but...

https://tech.slashdot.org/story/19/10/12/1625237/bell-labs-plans-big-50th-anniversary-event-for-unix

Probably makes sense to do something on this.

g



From jpb at jimby.name  Mon Oct 14 21:44:18 2019
From: jpb at jimby.name (jpb)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 21:44:18 -0400
Subject: [talk] Project Trident Changes
Message-ID: <20191014214418.16440edd.jpb@jimby.name>


For all those not on the Project Trident telegram/latestchatthingy :

https://project-trident.org/post/os_migration/

Trident, based on TrueOS, which is in turn based on FreeBSD has decided
to migrate away from the BSD fold.

Check the post for details (or you can just a"void" the issue
altogether...)

Sigh.  Not sure what I'm going to do personally...

Jim B.
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From pete at nomadlogic.org  Mon Oct 14 21:46:40 2019
From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 18:46:40 -0700
Subject: [talk] Project Trident Changes
In-Reply-To: <20191014214418.16440edd.jpb@jimby.name>
References: <20191014214418.16440edd.jpb@jimby.name>
Message-ID: <6253a1a7-532e-7321-baf2-1d7a47bd6b9c@nomadlogic.org>



On 10/14/19 6:44 PM, jpb wrote:
> For all those not on the Project Trident telegram/latestchatthingy :
>
> https://project-trident.org/post/os_migration/
>
> Trident, based on TrueOS, which is in turn based on FreeBSD has decided
> to migrate away from the BSD fold.
>
> Check the post for details (or you can just a"void" the issue
> altogether...)
>
> Sigh.  Not sure what I'm going to do personally...

I have heard pretty good things about GhostBSD:
https://ghostbsd.org/

YMMV though.

-p

-- 
Pete Wright
pete at nomadlogic.org
@nomadlogicLA



From spork at bway.net  Mon Oct 14 22:52:02 2019
From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 22:52:02 -0400
Subject: [talk] Project Trident Changes
In-Reply-To: <20191014214418.16440edd.jpb@jimby.name>
References: <20191014214418.16440edd.jpb@jimby.name>
Message-ID: <A4F538B9-EC00-4B8A-8C54-8D8E9636C413@bway.net>


> On Oct 14, 2019, at 9:44 PM, jpb <jpb at jimby.name> wrote:
> 
> 
> For all those not on the Project Trident telegram/latestchatthingy :
> 
> https://project-trident.org/post/os_migration/
> 
> Trident, based on TrueOS, which is in turn based on FreeBSD has decided
> to migrate away from the BSD fold.
> 
> Check the post for details (or you can just a"void" the issue
> altogether...)
> 
> Sigh.  Not sure what I'm going to do personally...
> 
> Jim B.
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk

I mean, like literally weeks after I install it even!

Gotta track down whatever functional X config it generated and take that with me.

It kind of looks like lots of the iXsystems-adjacent stuff is kind of sputtering out. I don?t get how Trident, which (according to wikipedia) was the de-facto child of PC-BSD is switching to Linux, I would think iXsystems would have some interest on at least forcing a name change if it?s not going to be FreeBSD/TrueOS-based any longer. The TrueOS blog is silent for over a year, feels like maybe forking FreeBSD as opposed to helping to pkg-ify the OS was not fruitful?

On the whole, whatever you want to call the pile of stuff running on my garage computer, it?s much more stable and efficient than I expected. 16GB of RAM and with both Firefox and Chrome active (and ZFS doing its ZFS memory-gobbling thing) and I?ve still got gigs upon gigs free.

C

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From mcevoy.pat at gmail.com  Mon Oct 14 23:33:39 2019
From: mcevoy.pat at gmail.com (Pat McEvoy)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 23:33:39 -0400
Subject: [talk] Unix anniversary
In-Reply-To: <abd671ba-f182-db8d-a378-3596254070e1@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <abd671ba-f182-db8d-a378-3596254070e1@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <3703A769-4996-495B-8F62-C9968C19A8C4@gmail.com>


> On Oct 13, 2019, at 12:28, George Rosamond <george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote:
> 
> Hate to post slashdot posts, but...
> 
> https://tech.slashdot.org/story/19/10/12/1625237/bell-labs-plans-big-50th-anniversary-event-for-unix
> 
> Probably makes sense to do something on this.
> 
> g
> 
> _______________________________________________

To that end, I just heard from the folks at sdf.org. Looks like we might have the Traveling AT&T 605 Unix Terminal for the installfest next month. 

https://sdf.org/?tutorials/att605




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From mcevoy.pat at gmail.com  Tue Oct 15 13:23:18 2019
From: mcevoy.pat at gmail.com (Pat McEvoy)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 13:23:18 -0400
Subject: [talk] November installfest ideas list
In-Reply-To: <CAOnfn2zwxbAZMxAtSLwPhRwmqfmV1pbQpburX7117kR8o94uvA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0FD45CCA-8FBC-4ADD-97BF-74F6EC765AC8@gmail.com>
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> On Sep 29, 2019, at 12:59, Raul Cuza <raulcuza at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Having the files for creating install media is good too so we can teach people how to make USB sticks. 
> 
> It might be good to teach people how to install OpnSense or other BSDs to make a firewall. 
> 
>> On Sat, Sep 28, 2019, 13:02 Robert Menes <viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Install media for various BSDs across different architectures (i386, amd64, macppc, etc.) would be useful.
>> 
>> I'll bring a couple of Raspberry Pi 3s along, and a Pi 4 if I get one in time.
>> 
>> Also gonna bring a MacBook Pro running FreeBSD 12 and my WorkPad Z50.
>> 
>> --Robert
>> 
>>> On Sat, Sep 28, 2019, 12:08 Pat McEvoy <mcevoy.pat at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello Folks,
>>> I wanted to get the ball rolling on our November installfest. I can bring some USB power supplies for SOC boards and a multi connection (vga, dvi, hdmi, etc)  monitor. Any other ideas? Perhaps some install media, a switch and some ethernet cables would not be a bad idea. Thoughts?
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________

Good news!
I have been in contact with the SDF folks and it looks line we will have the AT&T 605 traveling terminal at the installfest. 

https://sdf.org/?tutorials/att605


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From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Tue Oct 15 13:26:59 2019
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 13:26:59 -0400
Subject: [talk] November installfest ideas list
In-Reply-To: <47C064CE-5B81-4A82-9D91-1D0C66EF291A@gmail.com>
References: <0FD45CCA-8FBC-4ADD-97BF-74F6EC765AC8@gmail.com>
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Pat McEvoy:
> 
> 
>> On Sep 29, 2019, at 12:59, Raul Cuza <raulcuza at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Having the files for creating install media is good too so we can teach people how to make USB sticks. 
>>
>> It might be good to teach people how to install OpnSense or other BSDs to make a firewall. 
>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 28, 2019, 13:02 Robert Menes <viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Install media for various BSDs across different architectures (i386, amd64, macppc, etc.) would be useful.
>>>
>>> I'll bring a couple of Raspberry Pi 3s along, and a Pi 4 if I get one in time.
>>>
>>> Also gonna bring a MacBook Pro running FreeBSD 12 and my WorkPad Z50.
>>>
>>> --Robert
>>>
>>>> On Sat, Sep 28, 2019, 12:08 Pat McEvoy <mcevoy.pat at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hello Folks,
>>>> I wanted to get the ball rolling on our November installfest. I can bring some USB power supplies for SOC boards and a multi connection (vga, dvi, hdmi, etc)  monitor. Any other ideas? Perhaps some install media, a switch and some ethernet cables would not be a bad idea. Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
> 
> Good news!
> I have been in contact with the SDF folks and it looks line we will have the AT&T 605 traveling terminal at the installfest. 
> 
> https://sdf.org/?tutorials/att605

That's great.

I'll probably do an APU msata install with FDE on OpenBSD...

nothing spectacular, but if anyone wants help, they should bring their
hardware in.

Hopefully we can see some Pinebook installs... and get some dmesgs up on
dmesgd.

g



From kmsujit at gmail.com  Sun Oct 20 11:22:21 2019
From: kmsujit at gmail.com (Sujit K M)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 20:52:21 +0530
Subject: [talk] AWS - In memory databases
Message-ID: <CA+6mNeqXv0M6ZYxR9NXOJphwBq=+k8c10-r3FObQznDKztRUGQ@mail.gmail.com>

Always been a critique of AWS. Found something that might fuel that more.
Not sure whether there will be more acceptance.

Below an article on something I was researching.

http://www.devgrok.com/2018/12/using-s3-hive-metastore-with-emr.html

Below an article on In memory Database on AWS

https://aws.amazon.com/nosql/in-memory/

As per some of the discussions we have had on EC2 on FreeBSD. I find
supporting something like HSQL(Java In Memory Database) on AWS very
difficult which is certified by other cloud vendors, they seem to think how
can you not have it.
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From edlinuxguru at gmail.com  Sun Oct 20 16:01:28 2019
From: edlinuxguru at gmail.com (Edward Capriolo)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 16:01:28 -0400
Subject: [talk] AWS - In memory databases
In-Reply-To: <CA+6mNeqXv0M6ZYxR9NXOJphwBq=+k8c10-r3FObQznDKztRUGQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+6mNeqXv0M6ZYxR9NXOJphwBq=+k8c10-r3FObQznDKztRUGQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAENxBww+RzpnOPbSg6d8BdB5LeiaHt6UsiRXLp4HBAXa5dX0RQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 11:23 AM Sujit K M <kmsujit at gmail.com> wrote:

> Always been a critique of AWS. Found something that might fuel that more.
> Not sure whether there will be more acceptance.
>
> Below an article on something I was researching.
>
> http://www.devgrok.com/2018/12/using-s3-hive-metastore-with-emr.html
>
> Below an article on In memory Database on AWS
>
> https://aws.amazon.com/nosql/in-memory/
>
> As per some of the discussions we have had on EC2 on FreeBSD. I find
> supporting something like HSQL(Java In Memory Database) on AWS very
> difficult which is certified by other cloud vendors, they seem to think how
> can you not have it.
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk
>


You are looking at vastly different technologies.

Hive is batch processing system with an SQL frontend. At best it works at
analytic speed. Queries over GB of data in the seconds to minute range.

This is different then single node "in memory" databases. (HSQL)

Which are different then multi-node distributed in memory databases (VoltDB)

Aerospike and redis are KV like stores without relational capabilities.
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From kmsujit at gmail.com  Mon Oct 21 00:53:59 2019
From: kmsujit at gmail.com (Sujit K M)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 10:23:59 +0530
Subject: [talk] AWS - In memory databases
In-Reply-To: <CAENxBww+RzpnOPbSg6d8BdB5LeiaHt6UsiRXLp4HBAXa5dX0RQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+6mNeqXv0M6ZYxR9NXOJphwBq=+k8c10-r3FObQznDKztRUGQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Oct 21, 2019, 1:31 AM Edward Capriolo <edlinuxguru at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 11:23 AM Sujit K M <kmsujit at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Always been a critique of AWS. Found something that might fuel that more.
>> Not sure whether there will be more acceptance.
>>
>> Below an article on something I was researching.
>>
>> http://www.devgrok.com/2018/12/using-s3-hive-metastore-with-emr.html
>>
>> Below an article on In memory Database on AWS
>>
>> https://aws.amazon.com/nosql/in-memory/
>>
>> As per some of the discussions we have had on EC2 on FreeBSD. I find
>> supporting something like HSQL(Java In Memory Database) on AWS very
>> difficult which is certified by other cloud vendors, they seem to think
>> how
>> can you not have it.
>> _______________________________________________
>> talk mailing list
>> talk at lists.nycbug.org
>> http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>
>
>
> You are looking at vastly different technologies.
>
> Hive is batch processing system with an SQL frontend. At best it works at
> analytic speed. Queries over GB of data in the seconds to minute range.
>
> This is different then single node "in memory" databases. (HSQL)
>
> Which are different then multi-node distributed in memory databases
> (VoltDB)
>
> Aerospike and redis are KV like stores without relational capabilities.
>

Not sure whether you have read the link. It states having MySQL as backend
to store hive data. My question is what ever is in s3 bucket, do they run
out of box.

>
>
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From viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com  Mon Oct 21 08:45:33 2019
From: viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com (Robert Menes)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 08:45:33 -0400
Subject: [talk] Raspberry Pi 4 BSD compatibility
Message-ID: <CA+TaHT17JeMp5Zz2ShR22MkAMG-AKt3zRujHDRWm_HaeZqQ59Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all,

I just got a Raspberry Pi 4 that I want to run a BSD on, but so far, my
go-to, OpenBSD, still doesn't support the BCM2711 SoC of the Pi 4 (only the
Pi 3 has support).

Do Free or NetBSD have support for the Pi 4? I still intend to bring it
along for November's installfest all the same even if there isn't support
just yet.

Related: how's BSD support of the Pinebook? I might be asking Santa for
one... ;)

--Robert
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From john at netpurgatory.com  Mon Oct 21 09:35:41 2019
From: john at netpurgatory.com (John C. Vernaleo)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 09:35:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [talk] Raspberry Pi 4 BSD compatibility
In-Reply-To: <CA+TaHT17JeMp5Zz2ShR22MkAMG-AKt3zRujHDRWm_HaeZqQ59Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+TaHT17JeMp5Zz2ShR22MkAMG-AKt3zRujHDRWm_HaeZqQ59Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1910210934300.9376@triforce>

Last I heard OpenBSD supports everything except wifi on the pinebook.  I 
believe the others are similar.  I haven't personally confirmed yet as my 
pinebook is currently under a pile of papers on my desk, but it does have 
a date with an openbsd install very soon.

-------------------------------------------------------
John C. Vernaleo, Ph.D.
www.netpurgatory.com
john at netpurgatory.com
-------------------------------------------------------

On Mon, 21 Oct 2019, Robert Menes wrote:

> Hey all,
> I just got a Raspberry Pi 4 that I want to run a BSD on, but so far, my go-to, OpenBSD, still doesn't support the BCM2711 SoC of the Pi 4 (only the Pi 3 has support).
> 
> Do Free or NetBSD have support for the Pi 4? I still intend to bring it along for November's installfest all the same even if there isn't support just yet.
> 
> Related: how's BSD support of the Pinebook? I might be asking Santa for one... ;)
> 
> --Robert
> 
>



From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Mon Oct 21 09:56:32 2019
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 09:56:32 -0400
Subject: [talk] Raspberry Pi 4 BSD compatibility
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1910210934300.9376@triforce>
References: <CA+TaHT17JeMp5Zz2ShR22MkAMG-AKt3zRujHDRWm_HaeZqQ59Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.21.1910210934300.9376@triforce>
Message-ID: <ccb2f490-7398-8faf-b4da-3a5c74b4eb34@ceetonetechnology.com>



John C. Vernaleo:
> Last I heard OpenBSD supports everything except wifi on the pinebook.? I
> believe the others are similar.? I haven't personally confirmed yet as
> my pinebook is currently under a pile of papers on my desk, but it does
> have a date with an openbsd install very soon.

Oh, funny.  That's precisely why I didn't order a Pinebook. I'm sure
there's a lot of other hardware under my piles that will shock me.

USB wifi tends to be my default choice, anyways, so that's not a deal
killer to me.

I really do think what the Pine64 people are doing is great stuff.

https://dmesgd.nycbug.org/index.cgi?do=index&fts=pinebook

g



From edlinuxguru at gmail.com  Mon Oct 21 10:04:12 2019
From: edlinuxguru at gmail.com (Edward Capriolo)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 10:04:12 -0400
Subject: [talk] AWS - In memory databases
In-Reply-To: <CA+6mNerHxYsJj9mYY3DBUy_7UG6hU_ZQvouxE03E7FY558RuFA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+6mNeqXv0M6ZYxR9NXOJphwBq=+k8c10-r3FObQznDKztRUGQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAENxBww+RzpnOPbSg6d8BdB5LeiaHt6UsiRXLp4HBAXa5dX0RQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+6mNerHxYsJj9mYY3DBUy_7UG6hU_ZQvouxE03E7FY558RuFA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAENxBwzpw-xyPfoFegQQEZg7OmzDOfJNuDqs_FEwPev+BhRCjQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hive uses a meta store (normally mysql)  to store the schema information
including location of data, schema of data.
If you only have a small about of meta data and you can recreate it quickly
people will do it in the startup process of there emr process.
If you have thousands of tables with thousands of partitions uses a
reliable database you know how to backup and manage.


On Mon, Oct 21, 2019, 12:55 AM Sujit K M <kmsujit at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2019, 1:31 AM Edward Capriolo <edlinuxguru at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 11:23 AM Sujit K M <kmsujit at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Always been a critique of AWS. Found something that might fuel that more.
>>> Not sure whether there will be more acceptance.
>>>
>>> Below an article on something I was researching.
>>>
>>> http://www.devgrok.com/2018/12/using-s3-hive-metastore-with-emr.html
>>>
>>> Below an article on In memory Database on AWS
>>>
>>> https://aws.amazon.com/nosql/in-memory/
>>>
>>> As per some of the discussions we have had on EC2 on FreeBSD. I find
>>> supporting something like HSQL(Java In Memory Database) on AWS very
>>> difficult which is certified by other cloud vendors, they seem to think
>>> how
>>> can you not have it.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> talk mailing list
>>> talk at lists.nycbug.org
>>> http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>>
>>
>>
>> You are looking at vastly different technologies.
>>
>> Hive is batch processing system with an SQL frontend. At best it works at
>> analytic speed. Queries over GB of data in the seconds to minute range.
>>
>> This is different then single node "in memory" databases. (HSQL)
>>
>> Which are different then multi-node distributed in memory databases
>> (VoltDB)
>>
>> Aerospike and redis are KV like stores without relational capabilities.
>>
>
> Not sure whether you have read the link. It states having MySQL as backend
> to store hive data. My question is what ever is in s3 bucket, do they run
> out of box.
>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
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From ibsens at ripsbusker.no.eu.org  Sun Oct 27 14:09:34 2019
From: ibsens at ripsbusker.no.eu.org (Ibsen S Ripsbusker)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 18:09:34 +0000
Subject: [talk] OPNSense hardware
Message-ID: <20191027180937.ACBFDD6005B@mailuser.nyi.internal>

I have a Deciso A10 Dual Core Desktop Gen2 that I have stopped using.
(I switched to OpenWRT, sorry.) Would anyone like it, preferably either
for a free software project or in exchange for money?
https://www.deciso.com/product-catalog/DEC600/

Cordially,
Ibsen



From jun at soum.co.jp  Mon Oct 28 03:00:27 2019
From: jun at soum.co.jp (Jun Ebihara)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 16:00:27 +0900 (JST)
Subject: [talk] Raspberry Pi 4 BSD compatibility
In-Reply-To: <CA+TaHT17JeMp5Zz2ShR22MkAMG-AKt3zRujHDRWm_HaeZqQ59Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+TaHT17JeMp5Zz2ShR22MkAMG-AKt3zRujHDRWm_HaeZqQ59Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20191028.160027.54156418346200417.jun@soum.co.jp>

From: Robert Menes <viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com>
Subject: [talk] Raspberry Pi 4 BSD compatibility
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 08:45:33 -0400

> Do Free or NetBSD have support for the Pi 4? I still intend to bring it
> along for November's installfest all the same even if there isn't support
> just yet.

RPI4 status
http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-arm/2019/10/03/msg006208.html
http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-arm/2019/10/17/msg006231.html

RPI0-RPI3 status
http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-arm/2019/10/24/msg006265.html

> Related: how's BSD support of the Pinebook? I might be asking Santa for
> one... ;)

pinebook status:
http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-arm/2019/10/26/msg006275.html
https://github.com/ebijun/NetBSD/blob/master/dmesg/aarch64/pinebook

--
Jun Ebihara



From viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com  Mon Oct 28 12:50:13 2019
From: viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com (Robert Menes)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 12:50:13 -0400
Subject: [talk] November Installfest gear checklist/ideas
Message-ID: <CA+TaHT1DvJGMVUC-f+mHuBdjuaT-W7GxYan4k+viMCUZye+64Q@mail.gmail.com>

Everyone,

The installfest is just over a week, so we should do a quick checklist of
what we need to bring for everyone to use.

I know Pat mentioned he'll bring PSUs for SoC boards and a monitor with
different connectors.

I'll bring a couple of keyboards and mice, along with some Raspberry Pi's
(I got my Pi 4!), and a couple of video cables (VGA and HDMI). I'm also
bringing my ThinkPad T40 with OpenBSD 6.6 and my WorkPad Z50.

We should make sure that we have enough of the following:

* Power strips
* Video cables
* WiFi cards (for older HW)
* Input devices (KB, mice)
* Suggestions ???

I know I won't get any gear like this any time soon but does anyone have
any hardware that can run RetroBSD? I'd love to see that running again.

One last idea: SIMH running older BSDs would be fun, too!

--Robert
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From spork at bway.net  Mon Oct 28 15:41:31 2019
From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 15:41:31 -0400
Subject: [talk] Raspberry Pi 4 BSD compatibility [OT]
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> On Oct 21, 2019, at 9:56 AM, George Rosamond <george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote:
> 
> John C. Vernaleo:
>> Last I heard OpenBSD supports everything except wifi on the pinebook.  I
>> believe the others are similar.  I haven't personally confirmed yet as
>> my pinebook is currently under a pile of papers on my desk, but it does
>> have a date with an openbsd install very soon.
> 
> Oh, funny.  That's precisely why I didn't order a Pinebook. I'm sure
> there's a lot of other hardware under my piles that will shock me.
> 
> USB wifi tends to be my default choice, anyways, so that's not a deal
> killer to me.

This is OT, but can you post a list of those that you find not terrible?

I?ve been doing some work with co-working spaces and would kill for a high quality USB dongle I could recommend when a client has some built-in nonsense that?s too old or barfs on 802.11k or other new stuff that it shouldn?t.

The reviews for all USB wifi are awful, and our experience with walk-in folks using various dongles you find at Best Buy have been universally bad (could just be windows drivers I guess?).

C

> 
> I really do think what the Pine64 people are doing is great stuff.
> 
> https://dmesgd.nycbug.org/index.cgi?do=index&fts=pinebook
> 
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From jpb at jimby.name  Mon Oct 28 22:29:23 2019
From: jpb at jimby.name (jpb)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 22:29:23 -0400
Subject: [talk] November Installfest gear checklist/ideas
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On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 12:50:13 -0400
Robert Menes <viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com> wrote:

> Everyone,
> 
> The installfest is just over a week, so we should do a quick
> checklist of what we need to bring for everyone to use.
> 
> I know Pat mentioned he'll bring PSUs for SoC boards and a monitor
> with different connectors.
> 
> I'll bring a couple of keyboards and mice, along with some Raspberry
> Pi's (I got my Pi 4!), and a couple of video cables (VGA and HDMI).
> I'm also bringing my ThinkPad T40 with OpenBSD 6.6 and my WorkPad Z50.
> 
> We should make sure that we have enough of the following:
> 
> * Power strips
> * Video cables
> * WiFi cards (for older HW)
> * Input devices (KB, mice)
> * Suggestions ???
> 
> I know I won't get any gear like this any time soon but does anyone
> have any hardware that can run RetroBSD? I'd love to see that running
> again.
> 
> One last idea: SIMH running older BSDs would be fun, too!
> 
> --Robert

If old BSDs are your thing, have a turn with 1.0.

https://www.jimby.name/techbits/abitolder/fbsd_bd/

The instructions might be a bit dated for recent versions of
FreeBSD hosting Qemu.  Still, you should be able to work it out.

If you just want to see it working, check the video:

https://www.jimby.name/techbits/abitolder/fbsd_bd/fbsd_bd.mpg

(Trumpets start at about 18 seconds. Wait for it...)

I had it available at the birthday party, but Matt didn't use it.
He put up Alan Jude's ultra cool video of the commit log shootout.

/me tips hat to Alan...

Jim B.

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From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Wed Oct 30 11:01:49 2019
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 11:01:49 -0400
Subject: [talk] Raspberry Pi 4 BSD compatibility [OT]
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On 10/28/19 3:41 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote:
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2019, at 9:56 AM, George Rosamond <george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote:
>>
>> John C. Vernaleo:
>>> Last I heard OpenBSD supports everything except wifi on the pinebook.  I
>>> believe the others are similar.  I haven't personally confirmed yet as
>>> my pinebook is currently under a pile of papers on my desk, but it does
>>> have a date with an openbsd install very soon.
>>
>> Oh, funny.  That's precisely why I didn't order a Pinebook. I'm sure
>> there's a lot of other hardware under my piles that will shock me.
>>
>> USB wifi tends to be my default choice, anyways, so that's not a deal
>> killer to me.
> 
> This is OT, but can you post a list of those that you find not terrible?
> 
> I?ve been doing some work with co-working spaces and would kill for a high quality USB dongle I could recommend when a client has some built-in nonsense that?s too old or barfs on 802.11k or other new stuff that it shouldn?t.
> 
> The reviews for all USB wifi are awful, and our experience with walk-in folks using various dongles you find at Best Buy have been universally bad (could just be windows drivers I guess?).

I think it's going to depend on which BSD Spork.

If you're fine with 2.4GHz, then the standard Microcenter urtwn(4) or 
run(4) devices should be fine, although urtwn(4) needs firmware.

One i have is the TP-Link TL-WN725N, then there's the Tenda.

On OpenBSD:

Oct 30 10:59:39 xxx /bsd: urtwn0 at uhub0 port 6 configuration 1 
interface 0 "Realtek 802.11n WLAN Adapter" rev 2.00/2.00 addr 3
Oct 30 10:59:39 xxx /bsd: urtwn0: MAC/BB RTL8188CUS, RF 6052 1T1R, 
address xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx

Oct 30 11:00:37 xxx /bsd: run0 at uhub0 port 6 configuration 1 interface 
0 "Ralink 802.11 n WLAN" rev 2.00/1.01 addr 3
Oct 30 11:00:37 x70lap /bsd: run0: MAC/BBP RT5390 (rev 0x0502), RF 
RT5370 (MIMO 1T1R), address xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx