From ibsens at ripsbusker.no.eu.org Fri Apr 3 23:49:50 2020 From: ibsens at ripsbusker.no.eu.org (Ibsen S Ripsbusker) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2020 03:49:50 +0000 Subject: [talk] Encrypted Chat Applications (aka not Signal) In-Reply-To: <4bbee745-9d65-ebd3-39d1-6e4a96274f6a@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <9c98c482-5d68-4b7e-a477-746b8837b2a9@www.fastmail.com> <4bbee745-9d65-ebd3-39d1-6e4a96274f6a@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <21e07f21-d0a0-478f-ae8a-df6a3c6835ea@www.fastmail.com> Is Jami (https://jami.net/) safe? I like that it can work with SIP accounts. From george at ceetonetechnology.com Sat Apr 4 00:03:46 2020 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 00:03:46 -0400 Subject: [talk] Encrypted Chat Applications (aka not Signal) In-Reply-To: <21e07f21-d0a0-478f-ae8a-df6a3c6835ea@www.fastmail.com> References: <9c98c482-5d68-4b7e-a477-746b8837b2a9@www.fastmail.com> <4bbee745-9d65-ebd3-39d1-6e4a96274f6a@ceetonetechnology.com> <21e07f21-d0a0-478f-ae8a-df6a3c6835ea@www.fastmail.com> Message-ID: <532ccade-e337-573e-bb00-8edc4fcb8a12@ceetonetechnology.com> On 4/3/20 11:49 PM, Ibsen S Ripsbusker wrote: > Is Jami (https://jami.net/) safe? I like that it can work with SIP accounts. > I dont know Jami, but looks interesting. If you're looking at purely chat function, not sure where to go anymore. There's few meant to be run over Tor, like Ricocet and Torchat I know people who use Ricochat with a little trust (only a little) but the last release is three years old. Torchat is hasn't been touched in a lot longer. The 'old' way was xmpp accounts with Pidgin or whatever. I really would like to hear more input for others... to me it seems comparable to trying to have someone do video for an open source conference. It might get done, but they disappear with the media afterwards. Until you get a Patrick. I still haven't found Patrick in chat applications. :) g From bcully at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 14:44:48 2020 From: bcully at gmail.com (Brian Cully) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 14:44:48 -0400 Subject: [talk] Encrypted Chat Applications (aka not Signal) In-Reply-To: <21e07f21-d0a0-478f-ae8a-df6a3c6835ea@www.fastmail.com> References: <9c98c482-5d68-4b7e-a477-746b8837b2a9@www.fastmail.com> <4bbee745-9d65-ebd3-39d1-6e4a96274f6a@ceetonetechnology.com> <21e07f21-d0a0-478f-ae8a-df6a3c6835ea@www.fastmail.com> Message-ID: <37d2932a-253a-8eae-7523-ab913c4c7016@gmail.com> On 4/3/20 11:49 PM, Ibsen S Ripsbusker wrote: > Is Jami (https://jami.net/) safe? I like that it can work with SIP accounts. ??? Is there something wrong with Signal I don't know about? Last I heard it was the gold standard for e2e encrypted messaging. The signal protocol is the main influence for OMEMO in XMPP (which is finally getting some wide-spread adoption: https://omemo.top/). ??? I have no personal experience with e2e chat with SIP. In general, I would say that SIP always lags a bit in the messaging space, and you'll almost certainly be better off going with XMPP over it. Most desktop SIP clients even include XMPP support just for things like messaging and presence, which is pretty telling. ??? Of course, outside of the open standards world, you have a wealth of balkanized options. -bjc From mirimir at riseup.net Sat Apr 4 15:14:59 2020 From: mirimir at riseup.net (Mirimir) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 12:14:59 -0700 Subject: [talk] Encrypted Chat Applications (aka not Signal) In-Reply-To: <532ccade-e337-573e-bb00-8edc4fcb8a12@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <9c98c482-5d68-4b7e-a477-746b8837b2a9@www.fastmail.com> <4bbee745-9d65-ebd3-39d1-6e4a96274f6a@ceetonetechnology.com> <21e07f21-d0a0-478f-ae8a-df6a3c6835ea@www.fastmail.com> <532ccade-e337-573e-bb00-8edc4fcb8a12@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <185476cb-9f68-bc87-817d-7d2618b1c4c6@riseup.net> On 04/03/2020 09:03 PM, George Rosamond wrote: > > > On 4/3/20 11:49 PM, Ibsen S Ripsbusker wrote: >> Is Jami (https://jami.net/) safe? I like that it can work with SIP accounts. >> > > I dont know Jami, but looks interesting. > > If you're looking at purely chat function, not sure where to go anymore. > > There's few meant to be run over Tor, like Ricocet and Torchat > > I know people who use Ricochat with a little trust (only a little) but > the last release is three years old. > > Torchat is hasn't been touched in a lot longer. > > The 'old' way was xmpp accounts with Pidgin or whatever. > > I really would like to hear more input for others... to me it seems > comparable to trying to have someone do video for an open source conference. There's Session. It's basically a Signal fork, which uses swarms of Loki service nodes for message caching. Currently it relays messages through Loki service nodes. And soon it will implement full onion routing. It hinders Sybil attacks through proof-of-stake, using a private Etherium fork (also called Loki). The Loki supply is fixed, so adding new nodes too quickly drives up costs dramatically. Last I checked, running a service node cost $5000. And the stake is fully at risk, if their systems detect malicious node behavior. Successful service nodes earn Loki by providing connectivity and services. > It might get done, but they disappear with the media afterwards. Until > you get a Patrick. > > I still haven't found Patrick in chat applications. > > :) > > g > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk > From george at ceetonetechnology.com Sat Apr 4 19:47:23 2020 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 19:47:23 -0400 Subject: [talk] old laptop Message-ID: <4505013e-4fbe-60bf-1cf5-a75347373342@ceetonetechnology.com> Have an old T43 Thinkpad to ditch. I vaguely remember someone wanting to swap something for it.. but if it wasn't interesting, I'll try to hold onto until the next physical meeting if someone else wants it. Not in perfect shape by any means, but I think Ingo used it last time he was in NYC. Everything you need to run Windows XP except the hard disk! But runs BSDs fine. LMK offlist. More to come... g From george at ceetonetechnology.com Sun Apr 5 15:26:39 2020 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 15:26:39 -0400 Subject: [talk] ath/AR9280 wireless issues on pfSense/FreeBSD Message-ID: <5fa92350-b19f-3aa2-7e03-5fafd080e34c@ceetonetechnology.com> I know this is a long-time documented issue, but I don't see any feasible workarounds. Running pfsense 2.4.5 on an APU2 with I think the wle card in AP mode. It's based on FreeBSD 11.3 and I thought it was resolved by now. I get this reguarly in my logs: ath0: stuck beacon; resetting (bmiss count 4) I'm assuming it's the reason behind wireless freezing on a periodic basis. g Postscript... I may have fixed by adjusting hw.ath.bstuck from 4=>8... From george at ceetonetechnology.com Tue Apr 14 20:12:31 2020 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 20:12:31 -0400 Subject: [talk] RIP Romeo of Suspenders Message-ID: <02f3d5ec-4bc2-9870-ccdd-81fb44cc0ed6@ceetonetechnology.com> FYI, this past Sunday, April 5th, Romeo from Suspenders passed from COVID-19. Some of us knew Romeo before the first NYC*BUG meeting at the old Suspenders location at 111 Broadway. The first meeting there was in 2007 with Ivan about Subversion (https://www.nycbug.org/index?action=view&id=10076). True story: Steve Jobs went out of his way to bump us out of the Soho Apple Store, since no attendees were capable of answering questions aobut shortcuts in Quark. We didn't "fit in" there, and remember, at that time, the Soho Apple Store was the flagship of Apple. We held a lot of meetings in the backroom of the old Suspenders, then again at the new Suspenders on Maiden Lane. We very much became identified as "that group that met in the backroom of Suspenders." We even held our last NYCBSDCon at the old Suspenders in 2014 (https://www.nycbug.org/index?action=view&id=10344). Oh, god, even MWL looked young then. We worked with Romeo who gave us the whole place for the day, and dealt with food and drinks at a very reasonable price. After previous NYCBSDCons, it was a breath of fresh air, and really low stress for the organizers. We also held one NYC-wide holiday party there in 2012 (https://www.nycbug.org/index?action=view&id=10331), which again, Romeo helped us out with. Anyways, I was fortunate to have Romeo hold me hostage at the bar just before this whole thing broke out a few months ago. I was already at a Suspenders event, and had no intention of staying, but it was a blast. We drank late night and had "the usual" discussion, food and family. Romeo leaves behind his wife and very young daughter, plus a load of siblings. Cheers Romeo! g From viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com Tue Apr 14 21:10:56 2020 From: viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com (Robert Menes) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 21:10:56 -0400 Subject: [talk] RIP Romeo of Suspenders In-Reply-To: <02f3d5ec-4bc2-9870-ccdd-81fb44cc0ed6@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <02f3d5ec-4bc2-9870-ccdd-81fb44cc0ed6@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: RIP Romeo... thanks for always being there for us! Be well on your cosmic journey! --Robert On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 20:13 George Rosamond wrote: > FYI, this past Sunday, April 5th, Romeo from Suspenders passed from > COVID-19. > > Some of us knew Romeo before the first NYC*BUG meeting at the old > Suspenders location at 111 Broadway. The first meeting there was in 2007 > with Ivan about Subversion > (https://www.nycbug.org/index?action=view&id=10076). > > True story: Steve Jobs went out of his way to bump us out of the Soho > Apple Store, since no attendees were capable of answering questions > aobut shortcuts in Quark. We didn't "fit in" there, and remember, at > that time, the Soho Apple Store was the flagship of Apple. > > We held a lot of meetings in the backroom of the old Suspenders, then > again at the new Suspenders on Maiden Lane. We very much became > identified as "that group that met in the backroom of Suspenders." > > We even held our last NYCBSDCon at the old Suspenders in 2014 > (https://www.nycbug.org/index?action=view&id=10344). Oh, god, even MWL > looked young then. We worked with Romeo who gave us the whole place for > the day, and dealt with food and drinks at a very reasonable price. > After previous NYCBSDCons, it was a breath of fresh air, and really low > stress for the organizers. > > We also held one NYC-wide holiday party there in 2012 > (https://www.nycbug.org/index?action=view&id=10331), which again, Romeo > helped us out with. > > Anyways, I was fortunate to have Romeo hold me hostage at the bar just > before this whole thing broke out a few months ago. I was already at a > Suspenders event, and had no intention of staying, but it was a blast. > We drank late night and had "the usual" discussion, food and family. > > Romeo leaves behind his wife and very young daughter, plus a load of > siblings. > > Cheers Romeo! > > g > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raulcuza at gmail.com Tue Apr 14 21:20:37 2020 From: raulcuza at gmail.com (Raul Cuza) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 21:20:37 -0400 Subject: [talk] RIP Romeo of Suspenders In-Reply-To: References: <02f3d5ec-4bc2-9870-ccdd-81fb44cc0ed6@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: RIP Romeo. Thank you for your generosity of spirit(s) and making space for us geek sorts. May your journey always find you an empty bar stool whenever you need it. /rc/ On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 9:11 PM Robert Menes wrote: > > RIP Romeo... thanks for always being there for us! Be well on your cosmic journey! > > --Robert > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 20:13 George Rosamond wrote: >> >> FYI, this past Sunday, April 5th, Romeo from Suspenders passed from >> COVID-19. >> >> Some of us knew Romeo before the first NYC*BUG meeting at the old >> Suspenders location at 111 Broadway. The first meeting there was in 2007 >> with Ivan about Subversion >> (https://www.nycbug.org/index?action=view&id=10076). >> >> True story: Steve Jobs went out of his way to bump us out of the Soho >> Apple Store, since no attendees were capable of answering questions >> aobut shortcuts in Quark. We didn't "fit in" there, and remember, at >> that time, the Soho Apple Store was the flagship of Apple. >> >> We held a lot of meetings in the backroom of the old Suspenders, then >> again at the new Suspenders on Maiden Lane. We very much became >> identified as "that group that met in the backroom of Suspenders." >> >> We even held our last NYCBSDCon at the old Suspenders in 2014 >> (https://www.nycbug.org/index?action=view&id=10344). Oh, god, even MWL >> looked young then. We worked with Romeo who gave us the whole place for >> the day, and dealt with food and drinks at a very reasonable price. >> After previous NYCBSDCons, it was a breath of fresh air, and really low >> stress for the organizers. >> >> We also held one NYC-wide holiday party there in 2012 >> (https://www.nycbug.org/index?action=view&id=10331), which again, Romeo >> helped us out with. >> >> Anyways, I was fortunate to have Romeo hold me hostage at the bar just >> before this whole thing broke out a few months ago. I was already at a >> Suspenders event, and had no intention of staying, but it was a blast. >> We drank late night and had "the usual" discussion, food and family. >> >> Romeo leaves behind his wife and very young daughter, plus a load of >> siblings. >> >> Cheers Romeo! >> >> g >> >> _______________________________________________ >> talk mailing list >> talk at lists.nycbug.org >> http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk From ike at blackskyresearch.net Tue Apr 14 23:02:39 2020 From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac (.ike) Levy) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 23:02:39 -0400 Subject: [talk] RIP Romeo of Suspenders In-Reply-To: <02f3d5ec-4bc2-9870-ccdd-81fb44cc0ed6@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <02f3d5ec-4bc2-9870-ccdd-81fb44cc0ed6@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <9B8B509B-BF10-4744-8078-39EB32015EA2@blackskyresearch.net> > On Apr 14, 2020, at 8:12 PM, George Rosamond wrote: > > FYI, this past Sunday, April 5th, Romeo from Suspenders passed from > COVID-19. > > Some of us knew Romeo before the first NYC*BUG meeting at the old > Suspenders location at 111 Broadway. The first meeting there was in 2007 > with Ivan about Subversion > (https://www.nycbug.org/index?action=view&id=10076). > > True story: Steve Jobs went out of his way to bump us out of the Soho > Apple Store, since no attendees were capable of answering questions > aobut shortcuts in Quark. They wanted us to do our presentations using Keynote or PowerPoint, on a Mac. The upcoming topic was Mickey porting OpenBSD to HP-RISC, which ended up being one of the best meetings ever, and the last at the Apple store that I remember. Suspenders didn?t care. Romeo and crew were welcoming, low pressure, it felt like they somehow knew what we were doing better than we did at the time. Romeo didn?t care when we?d overstay our welcome and close the bar, I can remember Romeo closing the doors behind a gaggle of us *late* many times. They also didn?t care when we?d pack the room for a meeting when most folks were too strapped to buy dinner or drinks, (I can certainly remember a few of those thin nights when almost no drinks were ordered, 2008 financial crisis impacted so many folks well into 2010...) Romeo was always so welcoming, no matter how we came in. Always made us feel like the place was ours, even if he was asking us to move out of the way or close the bar. > We didn't "fit in" there, and remember, at > that time, the Soho Apple Store was the flagship of Apple. > > We held a lot of meetings in the backroom of the old Suspenders, then > again at the new Suspenders on Maiden Lane. We very much became > identified as "that group that met in the backroom of Suspenders." > > We even held our last NYCBSDCon at the old Suspenders in 2014 > (https://www.nycbug.org/index?action=view&id=10344). Oh, god, even MWL > looked young then. We worked with Romeo who gave us the whole place for > the day, and dealt with food and drinks at a very reasonable price. > After previous NYCBSDCons, it was a breath of fresh air, and really low > stress for the organizers. > > We also held one NYC-wide holiday party there in 2012 > (https://www.nycbug.org/index?action=view&id=10331), which again, Romeo > helped us out with. > > Anyways, I was fortunate to have Romeo hold me hostage at the bar just > before this whole thing broke out a few months ago. I was already at a > Suspenders event, and had no intention of staying, but it was a blast. > We drank late night and had "the usual" discussion, food and family. > > Romeo leaves behind his wife and very young daughter, plus a load of > siblings. > > Cheers Romeo! Indeed, Cheers Romeo! Rocket- .ike > > g > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk From pvarga at pvrg.net Wed Apr 15 02:05:21 2020 From: pvarga at pvrg.net (Peter Varga) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 23:05:21 -0700 Subject: [talk] RIP Romeo of Suspenders In-Reply-To: <9B8B509B-BF10-4744-8078-39EB32015EA2@blackskyresearch.net> References: <02f3d5ec-4bc2-9870-ccdd-81fb44cc0ed6@ceetonetechnology.com> <9B8B509B-BF10-4744-8078-39EB32015EA2@blackskyresearch.net> Message-ID: <90d690a1-c8e6-4c51-af87-fe8d5d2bfaf8@www.fastmail.com> His hospitality and food were always above par. He attended the back room meeting like it was a special event and stayed after closing at times to make sure no idea was left undiscussed. R.I.P. Romeo On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, at 20:02, Isaac (.ike) Levy wrote: > > > On Apr 14, 2020, at 8:12 PM, George Rosamond wrote: > > > > FYI, this past Sunday, April 5th, Romeo from Suspenders passed from > > COVID-19. > > > > Some of us knew Romeo before the first NYC*BUG meeting at the old > > Suspenders location at 111 Broadway. The first meeting there was in 2007 > > with Ivan about Subversion > > (https://www.nycbug.org/index?action=view&id=10076). > > > > True story: Steve Jobs went out of his way to bump us out of the Soho > > Apple Store, since no attendees were capable of answering questions > > aobut shortcuts in Quark. > > They wanted us to do our presentations using Keynote or PowerPoint, on > a Mac. The upcoming topic was Mickey porting OpenBSD to HP-RISC, which > ended up being one of the best meetings ever, and the last at the Apple > store that I remember. > > Suspenders didn?t care. Romeo and crew were welcoming, low pressure, > it felt like they somehow knew what we were doing better than we did at > the time. > > Romeo didn?t care when we?d overstay our welcome and close the bar, I > can remember Romeo closing the doors behind a gaggle of us *late* many > times. They also didn?t care when we?d pack the room for a meeting > when most folks were too strapped to buy dinner or drinks, (I can > certainly remember a few of those thin nights when almost no drinks > were ordered, 2008 financial crisis impacted so many folks well into > 2010...) > > Romeo was always so welcoming, no matter how we came in. Always made > us feel like the place was ours, even if he was asking us to move out > of the way or close the bar. > > > We didn't "fit in" there, and remember, at > > that time, the Soho Apple Store was the flagship of Apple. > > > > We held a lot of meetings in the backroom of the old Suspenders, then > > again at the new Suspenders on Maiden Lane. We very much became > > identified as "that group that met in the backroom of Suspenders." > > > > We even held our last NYCBSDCon at the old Suspenders in 2014 > > (https://www.nycbug.org/index?action=view&id=10344). Oh, god, even MWL > > looked young then. We worked with Romeo who gave us the whole place for > > the day, and dealt with food and drinks at a very reasonable price. > > After previous NYCBSDCons, it was a breath of fresh air, and really low > > stress for the organizers. > > > > We also held one NYC-wide holiday party there in 2012 > > (https://www.nycbug.org/index?action=view&id=10331), which again, Romeo > > helped us out with. > > > > Anyways, I was fortunate to have Romeo hold me hostage at the bar just > > before this whole thing broke out a few months ago. I was already at a > > Suspenders event, and had no intention of staying, but it was a blast. > > We drank late night and had "the usual" discussion, food and family. > > > > Romeo leaves behind his wife and very young daughter, plus a load of > > siblings. > > > > Cheers Romeo! > > Indeed, Cheers Romeo! > > Rocket- > .ike > > > > > > g > > > > _______________________________________________ > > talk mailing list > > talk at lists.nycbug.org > > http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk > From george at ceetonetechnology.com Thu Apr 16 11:50:25 2020 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 11:50:25 -0400 Subject: [talk] TLS book by MWL Message-ID: <229bfd30-21cf-d4d4-a112-4c6801e7a001@ceetonetechnology.com> Michael W Lucas, for those who don't know, has written a (dumpster?) load of accessible and relevant technical books, many of which are drenched in BSD. He's planning on writing a book entitled "TLS Mastery": https://mwl.io/archives/6265 He's not working with a publisher. He's publishing it himself, based on the community's interest and involvement. >From our beginnings, we've done some great stuff for the community on the financial angle. From donating all our profits from NYCBSDCons to the BSD projects, to smaller fundraisers like "pass the hat" collections at meetings and arranging hardware donations, not to mention colocation. We've even helped replace a well-known community member's stolen laptop during our first months... These are not easy times for an independent writer. It's not a cushy job where the paychecks keep coming while lounging in the Hamptons. But it is an essential part of our community. BSD land would be poorer on many levels without MWL's contributions. So if you've got the cash, be a sponsor. If you're not interested in the topic, then have the book sent to someone else. g From george at ceetonetechnology.com Sun Apr 19 15:45:53 2020 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 15:45:53 -0400 Subject: [talk] NYC*BUG jobs@ list Message-ID: <583fdaf2-d29b-153f-e03a-2f92d12e3bd2@ceetonetechnology.com> Greetings. These are incredibly tough times all around, including for those who work in technology. With that in mind, we hope that NYC*BUG can play a small role in helping those looking for a job or a consulting gig. Our jobs@ list (http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/jobs) sat dormant for a while, but we hope we can resurrect it for these times. If your company has work available, and is hiring full-time, part-time or consultants, please join the jobs@ list and post your offerings. Please also consider posting any one-off temporary projects, as even a single project could help someone out in the short term. If you know of anyone hiring, please forward them this email. Positions posted don't need to be strictly BSD-related, of course. In order to post to the list, you *must* subscribe to it. If anyone has any problems joining or posting to the list, please ping admin@ offline. Thanks. From george at ceetonetechnology.com Mon Apr 20 11:28:34 2020 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 11:28:34 -0400 Subject: [talk] NYC*BUG jobs@ list In-Reply-To: <583fdaf2-d29b-153f-e03a-2f92d12e3bd2@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <583fdaf2-d29b-153f-e03a-2f92d12e3bd2@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: Quick note: Jim B reached out to his firm's HR department and posted to jobs@ with a long list of job openings. If you're not on the jobs@ list now, but are interested, it's in the archives: http://lists.nycbug.org/pipermail/jobs/ Jim B set a good example... if others can reach out to their HR departments, it would be good material for the jobs@ list. g On 4/19/20 3:45 PM, George Rosamond wrote: > Greetings. > > These are incredibly tough times all around, including for those who > work in technology. > > With that in mind, we hope that NYC*BUG can play a small role in helping > those looking for a job or a consulting gig. Our jobs@ list > (http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/jobs) sat dormant for a > while, but we hope we can resurrect it for these times. > > If your company has work available, and is hiring full-time, part-time > or consultants, please join the jobs@ list and post your offerings. > > Please also consider posting any one-off temporary projects, as even a > single project could help someone out in the short term. > > If you know of anyone hiring, please forward them this email. > > Positions posted don't need to be strictly BSD-related, of course. > > In order to post to the list, you *must* subscribe to it. If anyone has > any problems joining or posting to the list, please ping admin@ offline. > > Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk >