From njt at ayvali.org  Sun Mar 12 16:59:43 2023
From: njt at ayvali.org (N.J. Thomas)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2023 13:59:43 -0700
Subject: [talk] SCaLE 20x talk: Bryan Cantrill: The Forgotten Operator
Message-ID: <ZA49P728q9v03PPb@ayvali.org>

[A comment meant for IRC that I realized was too large to fit in the
margins, so sending it to the list. I thought it was apropos given some
of the cloud repatriation discussions that's been going on in #nycbug
the last few weeks/months.]

Attended a presentation two nights ago here at SCaLE 20x given by Bryan
Cantrill:

    https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale/20x/presentations/forgotten-operator

It was a really good talk. My tl;dr notes:

    - pre-cloud on-prem computing kinda sucked (expensive, labor
      intensive, difficult data center buildouts etc.

    - the cloud was amazing in some ways, but expensive, and didn't fit
      certain use cases (security, risk mgmt, regulatory
      compliance,etc.)

    - but cloud repatriation also kinda sucks, because a lot of vendors
      (eg. Dell) are stuck in the pre-cloud era

    - and a lot of technologies (eg. power, cooling, BIOS) are all
      vestigial, from the PC-era

    - so for those who remained on-prem, or those moving back from the
      Cloud, they need modern rack systems that combine hardware and
      software into a software driven system

The basic premise was that the public cloud is not going away, and a lot
of folks may need to manage both on-prem and cloud rollouts, but they
deserve modern rack servers that give them the same power and
flexibility as their cloud counterparts.

Cantrill obviously has a vested interest in the topic, as his Oxide
Computer Company is selling rack servers and is soon shipping their
first product. But I really didn't disagree with anything he said, and
as always, he's a fascinating speaker to listen to. (His interviews on
BSD Now from a few years ago are my favorites from that podcast.)

You can find his talk here:

    https://youtu.be/vU7avqYPPGI?t=23181

(SCaLE records the entire room's talk into one stream, so you'll have to
fast forward to 6h:26m if the above link doesn't take you straight to
his talk.)

Thomas



From pete at nomadlogic.org  Sun Mar 12 17:31:25 2023
From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2023 21:31:25 +0000
Subject: [talk] SCaLE 20x talk: Bryan Cantrill: The Forgotten Operator
In-Reply-To: <ZA49P728q9v03PPb@ayvali.org>
References: <ZA49P728q9v03PPb@ayvali.org>
Message-ID: <20230312213125.hvcj32bir7a55m3j@shelly.nomadlogic.org>

On Sun, Mar 12, 2023 at 01:59:43PM -0700, N.J. Thomas wrote:
> Attended a presentation two nights ago here at SCaLE 20x given by Bryan
> Cantrill:
> 
>     https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale/20x/presentations/forgotten-operator
> 
<snip>
> 
> You can find his talk here:
> 
>     https://youtu.be/vU7avqYPPGI?t=23181
> 
Nice - bummed I wasn't able to make his talk so thanks for sending this
link!

I feel like he certainly gets to pain points that i ran into last time i
was doing large scale buildouts.  keeping a close eye on oxide and
keeping my fingers crossed :)

-pete

-- 
Pete Wright
pete at nomadlogic.org



From mcevoy.pat at gmail.com  Wed Mar 15 13:59:16 2023
From: mcevoy.pat at gmail.com (Pat McEvoy)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2023 13:59:16 -0400
Subject: [talk] Pics for Next NYC*BUG stream preroll
Message-ID: <46F28886-80AF-4EDD-8CC1-33B703693F38@gmail.com>

Hey Folks,
If anyone has NYCBUG/NYCBSDCon pics they wouldn?t mind sharing with the world, please shoot them to me off list. I am making a pre stream video roll so people can be sure they are on the stream before we go live. Thinking a series of images along with some NY-themed music so people can set levels. 


From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Fri Mar 17 14:34:54 2023
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2023 14:34:54 -0400
Subject: [talk] MWL on "Run your own mail server"
Message-ID: <15d24045-b408-6c6e-9d25-f5809c312788@ceetonetechnology.com>

Worth checking out... if you're not reading the blog regularly:

https://mwl.io/archives/22653

I just browsed through it quickly and will read carefully later.. but it
really makes me laugh in the privacy/security work land how very
well-funded companies can ramble in their marketing materials about
"security,privacy by design" yet they host their email with one of the
little closed circle of providers. I dont' have to name the providers,
but they happen to be where we get the most unsoliticited commercial
email.* Your most confidential information flows around in those emails..

And it's those providers that the 'little people' have to contend with
when sending mail to their hosts.

Additionally, if you're all cloud/3rd party hosted, you have an EASIER
time going through any vendor requirements than if you do it yourself...
despite the obvious privacy issues.

g


*

$ host -t mx $domain
$domain mail is handled by 0 $domain.mail.protection.outlook.com.

"George,

A bottle of Silver Oak for 10 minutes to ask you a few questions"

***

$ host -t mx $anotherdomain
$anotherdoimain mail is handled by 10 alt3.aspmx.l.google.com.
$anotherdomain mail is handled by 1 aspmx.l.google.com.

"???Dear George, I hope you had a chance to read my previous messages."



From mwlucas at michaelwlucas.com  Fri Mar 17 14:51:18 2023
From: mwlucas at michaelwlucas.com (Michael W. Lucas)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2023 14:51:18 -0400
Subject: [talk] MWL on "Run your own mail server"
In-Reply-To: <15d24045-b408-6c6e-9d25-f5809c312788@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <15d24045-b408-6c6e-9d25-f5809c312788@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <ZBS2poLPHosSld8Q@mail.mwl.io>

On Fri, Mar 17, 2023 at 02:34:54PM -0400, George Rosamond wrote:
> I just browsed through it quickly and will read carefully later.. but it
> really makes me laugh in the privacy/security work land how very
> well-funded companies can ramble in their marketing materials about
> "security,privacy by design" yet they host their email with one of the
> little closed circle of providers. I dont' have to name the providers,

I will. Or rather, I'll name the person who names the providers.

https://www.netmeister.org/blog/mx-diversity.html

==ml



-- 
Michael W. Lucas 	https://mwl.io/
author of: Absolute OpenBSD, SSH Mastery, git commit murder,
 Absolute FreeBSD, Butterfly Stomp Waltz, Forever Falls, etc...
### New books: DNSSEC Mastery, Letters to ed(1), $ git sync murder ###



From jpb at jimby.name  Fri Mar 17 18:00:23 2023
From: jpb at jimby.name (jpb)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2023 18:00:23 -0400
Subject: [talk] MWL on "Run your own mail server"
In-Reply-To: <15d24045-b408-6c6e-9d25-f5809c312788@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <15d24045-b408-6c6e-9d25-f5809c312788@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <20230317180023.119db939.jpb@jimby.name>

On Fri, 17 Mar 2023 14:34:54 -0400
George Rosamond <george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote:

> Worth checking out... if you're not reading the blog regularly:
> 
> https://mwl.io/archives/22653
> 
> I just browsed through it quickly and will read carefully later.. but
> it really makes me laugh in the privacy/security work land how very
> well-funded companies can ramble in their marketing materials about
> "security,privacy by design" yet they host their email with one of the
> little closed circle of providers. I dont' have to name the providers,
> but they happen to be where we get the most unsoliticited commercial
> email.* Your most confidential information flows around in those
> emails..
> 
> And it's those providers that the 'little people' have to contend with
> when sending mail to their hosts.
> 
> Additionally, if you're all cloud/3rd party hosted, you have an EASIER
> time going through any vendor requirements than if you do it
> yourself... despite the obvious privacy issues.
> 
> g
> 
> 
> *
> 
> $ host -t mx $domain
> $domain mail is handled by 0 $domain.mail.protection.outlook.com.
> 
> "George,
> 
> A bottle of Silver Oak for 10 minutes to ask you a few questions"
> 
> ***
> 
> $ host -t mx $anotherdomain
> $anotherdoimain mail is handled by 10 alt3.aspmx.l.google.com.
> $anotherdomain mail is handled by 1 aspmx.l.google.com.
> 
> "???Dear George, I hope you had a chance to read my previous
> messages."
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> https://lists.nycbug.org:8443/mailman/listinfo/talk

I'm guessing that Chapters > 0 will have the exquisite detail of all the
bitwrangling needed to set up your own mail server.

amirite?

jpb



From edlinuxguru at gmail.com  Fri Mar 17 18:54:29 2023
From: edlinuxguru at gmail.com (Edward Capriolo)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2023 18:54:29 -0400
Subject: [talk] MWL on "Run your own mail server"
In-Reply-To: <20230317180023.119db939.jpb@jimby.name>
References: <15d24045-b408-6c6e-9d25-f5809c312788@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <20230317180023.119db939.jpb@jimby.name>
Message-ID: <CAENxBwy_Nc=A1UcATTBfXaizniuuVDyLipoEyVY91C++eEyh-w@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 17, 2023, 6:01 PM jpb <jpb at jimby.name> wrote:

> On Fri, 17 Mar 2023 14:34:54 -0400
> George Rosamond <george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote:
>
> > Worth checking out... if you're not reading the blog regularly:
> >
> > https://mwl.io/archives/22653
> >
> > I just browsed through it quickly and will read carefully later.. but
> > it really makes me laugh in the privacy/security work land how very
> > well-funded companies can ramble in their marketing materials about
> > "security,privacy by design" yet they host their email with one of the
> > little closed circle of providers. I dont' have to name the providers,
> > but they happen to be where we get the most unsoliticited commercial
> > email.* Your most confidential information flows around in those
> > emails..
> >
> > And it's those providers that the 'little people' have to contend with
> > when sending mail to their hosts.
> >
> > Additionally, if you're all cloud/3rd party hosted, you have an EASIER
> > time going through any vendor requirements than if you do it
> > yourself... despite the obvious privacy issues.
> >
> > g
> >
> >
> > *
> >
> > $ host -t mx $domain
> > $domain mail is handled by 0 $domain.mail.protection.outlook.com.
> >
> > "George,
> >
> > A bottle of Silver Oak for 10 minutes to ask you a few questions"
> >
> > ***
> >
> > $ host -t mx $anotherdomain
> > $anotherdoimain mail is handled by 10 alt3.aspmx.l.google.com.
> > $anotherdomain mail is handled by 1 aspmx.l.google.com.
> >
> > "???Dear George, I hope you had a chance to read my previous
> > messages."
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > talk mailing list
> > talk at lists.nycbug.org
> > https://lists.nycbug.org:8443/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> I'm guessing that Chapters > 0 will have the exquisite detail of all the
> bitwrangling needed to set up your own mail server.
>
> amirite?
>
> jpb
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> https://lists.nycbug.org:8443/mailman/listinfo/talk


I am having major PTSD now. Pop before smtp. Qmail.. qmail ldap patches.
Imap on net app. The executive using outlook express that we had to
maintain ssl negative 2.4.2 conpatabilty for.

I learned alot about how not to do things migrating that from freebsd 4 to 7
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From nonesuch at longcount.org  Fri Mar 17 20:31:37 2023
From: nonesuch at longcount.org (Mark Saad)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2023 20:31:37 -0400
Subject: [talk] MWL on "Run your own mail server"
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From jondrews at fastmail.com  Mon Mar 20 15:59:46 2023
From: jondrews at fastmail.com (Jonathan Drews)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2023 13:59:46 -0600
Subject: [talk] Presentation on Haskell Language
Message-ID: <ee3b5045-34f1-4815-a6be-f9716273f20a@app.fastmail.com>

Hello Folks:

On 03/21/23, at 7:00 PM EDT, Emily Pillmore, former CTO of the Haskell
Foundation, will give a presentation on Haskell. She will cover the
rudiments of functional programming and an overview of CABAL (Common
Architecture for Building Applications and Libraries). The link is:

https://meet.jit.si/SEMI-BUGHaskellTalk

Ms. Pillmore is a profesional programmer and has a degree in
Mathematics. She is a member of the Haskell Core Libraries team. She
is also a member of the Haskell.org committee

This is a great opportunity to get an overview of a pure functional
programming language. The talk is hosted by South Eastern Michigan BSD 
User Group.

--
Kind regards,
Jonathan
http://www.semibug.org/



From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Wed Mar 29 20:47:31 2023
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2023 20:47:31 -0400
Subject: [talk] NYC*BUG Live next week April 5
Message-ID: <ec2b6e93-d855-484c-1dd1-2c8619e7ca62@ceetonetechnology.com>

We're back in action next week and working to line up some speakers.

Come talk about what you were up to during the dark days of the
pandemic... You must have done *something* interesting!

First Social/Open Mic in new location!, Anyone with an idea or opinion
to share.
2023-04-05 @ 18:45 - Five Mile Stone at 1640 2nd Ave (northeast Corner
of 2nd Ave and 85th St, 2nd floor). Please note the stairs to the second
floor are on the north wall as you enter from 2nd Ave.
Notice: Location Change
Abstract

We are "in the book" with the nice people over at Five Mile Stone for an
April 5th social/open mic. The location is accessible from both the Q,
4, 5, & 6 trains. With our standard meeting time of 18:45 and likely
start time of 19:00 EDT. We have the entire second floor to ourselves
with plenty of ventilation, a projector & screen, and most importantly;
isolation from the rest of the bar/restaurant. Hope to see you there.

Offsite Participation: We plan to stream via NYC*BUG Website unless the
speaker requests otherwise. Q&A will be via IRC on Libera.chat channel
#nycbug - Please preface your questions with '[Q]'