<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On 20-Mar-09, at 11:29 AM, Miles Nordin wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">"pw" == Pete Wright <<a href="mailto:pete@nomadlogic.org">pete@nomadlogic.org</a>> writes:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#144FAE"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#540000"><br></font></font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><br> pw> friendly fascism where you can't be trusted to act in a<br> pw> responsible manner *and* look out for your best interests<br><br>where was ``act in a responsible manner'' in your last statement?<br>simplified right out, I think.<br><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>wow - sorry didn't mean to feed to troll...didn't know he was so hungy...</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>Personally I find ``trusted to act in a responsible manner'' a bit<br>paternalistic and authoritarian. I do not think my rights and<br>freedoms come from someone more powerful ``trust''ing me not to abuse<br>them. But that shouldn't mean I can't apply pressure to someone who I<br>see making a mess. They can ignore me for a while, until too many<br>people say ``hey, knock it off,'' and at that point if the complainers<br>prevail I think we're generally happy. This is called democracy.<br>It's rather expensive to operate and doesn't function with perfect<br>fairness and is sometimes frustratingly deferential to mediocrity, but<br>it keeps us out from under the thumbs of petty smug arrogant<br>simple-minded autocrats like yourself: When your argument starts with<br>what you imagine are first principles and ends with a heirarchy of<br>incontrovertible authoritarian force, this is no longer a democratic<br>social structure, and the fact so many supposed citizens of the Free<br>World find such structures mysteriously appealing frightens me.<br><br>I see that Sun is disrespecting the reasonable way with which certain<br>authors to whom I feel solidarity wish to use their copyright. Can I<br>or can I not attack the reputation of the one doing this? I'd like<br>to, because they are _trading_ on that reputation in a big way so I<br>have some hope of success, and attacking it serves my interest. <br><br>But according to people like you, I am not allowed to push back<br>because they are ``acting in their interest,'' and whenever someone<br>big and rich is acting in their own interest the almighty godlike<br>Invisible Hand is at work, and we'd better all just stay the fuck back<br>and let it work its greedy magic, because THAT is the *core of<br>freedom* and if we did anything else we'd be like Soviet Russia.<br><br>well, bullSHIT.<br><br>Where the hell is MY best interest in your world-view? <br><br>In any case, I can complain about whatever I like.<br><br>But as I predicted, broke-ass BSD-club pseudoethics tries to stop me<br>at step zero. wake UP, goddamnit. your tiny little libertarian REICH<br>is on fire.<br><br>YHBT. YHL. HAND.<br>_______________________________________________<br>talk mailing list<br><a href="mailto:talk@lists.nycbug.org">talk@lists.nycbug.org</a><br>http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk<br></div></blockquote></div><br></body></html>