[talk] So Netgate bails on FreeBSD

Steve steve.b at osfda.org
Thu May 24 02:24:45 EDT 2018

Afterthought: the entire sell of Linux was that you did not have to buy 
into Microsoft's program of bolting things in, in a desperate attempt to 
get users used to and consequently addicted to features they could just 
as well do without."Hey, look: it's Linux. Don't want a package or 
subsystem? Uninstall it..."

And now the largest distributor of Linux in the US has done exactly 
that: bolted in something which is clearly demonstrated in other distros 
not being _absolutely required_ (as superior the security might be 
claimed to be...)

In the same way an admin should have the right to opt out of updates 
-even security ones- and have the discretion when they should be applied 
(though strong recommendations and suggested update settings are clearly 
a Good Idea!), selinux should not have been BOLTED in.

Ready to roll? Sure.
Having it enabled by default?? I can live with that...

On 5/24/2018 1:58 AM, Steve wrote:
> (correction: crazy disgruntled CONTRACTOR...)
> On 5/24/2018 1:56 AM, Steve wrote:
>> That still doesn't address the fact that you can't opt out of selinux.
>> And I'm not wearing a tinfoil hat; the settings and code complexity 
>> of selinux is immense, and Snowden documented well the way 
>> NIST-sponsored projects had been specifically engineered with 
>> weaknesses.
>> I remember a consultant working for NIST made the same allegation all 
>> the way back in ~2002-2003 (!) with regards to NIST-sponsored 
>> crypto-algorithms. I tried google searching him, but he has dropped 
>> off the search engines. At the time, the press did a "whoo hoo, crazy 
>> disgruntled employee..."
>> But Snowden vindicated his claims so many years later...
>> On 5/24/2018 1:09 AM, Sujit K M wrote:
>>>> that's a shame.  business is business - i get it.
>>> I agree. But if you look at it we have tonnes of BSD derivatives, but
>>> they are not innovations.
>>> I was on similar lines and saw a new centos based derivative which is
>>> very innovative is what
>>> I feel. Link http://www.nethserver.org/
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