[nycbug-talk] Fwd: no more apache updates

[Robert Collins]

> I like that people are expected to write code or shutup.

Personally, I don't like that people are expected to write code or shutup. I
am not an authority on organizational structure by any means. But it seems
to me that when you get a group of people together that want to accomplish
something, from a household all the way to an entire country division of
responsibilities is a necessity.

In our particular situation we need coders, but we also need people like Dan
who may not necessarily code, but are doing their best to help people get
their systems running. We need people to help out newbies in channels like
#freebsdhelp for the same reason. We need people like, once again Dan, who
like to organize conventions. We need people like George for public
relations and evangelism. We need others who aren't necessarily coders but
don't mind testing the hell out of a particular portion of code, the part
coders seem to hate. We need people who are good at translating our geek
speak to write documentation.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that we *don't* have these things,
nor am I saying that we do. I'm saying that we could use more of it. These
people allow coders to do more of what they know and love. With that, my
point is (forgive me for taking so long to get to it) that just because a
person doesn't code, doesn't mean that they don't have something
constructive to say. Just because a person doesn't code, it doesn't mean
that they don't give back to the community. I know it's very difficult to
listen to what everyone has to say, but that is why it may be a good idea to
not fill our leadership base with people who code, but with experienced
coders, documenters and developers (public relations/fundraising speak) who
are willing to accept the responsibility of task administration. Again, I'm
not saying that this isn't the case now...

> convention halls full of self styled experts who
> complain and demand but  don't contribute.

...I'm just saying maybe non-coders do contribute after all. It sounds more
like the problem is them complaining and demanding. Which brings us back to
attracting more flies with honey than vinegar. It's something that most of
us, especially myself, can use a lesson in.

-rcollins


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Josh McCormack" <joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com>
To: "NYC Bug List" <talk at lists.nycbug.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nycbug-talk] Fwd: no more apache updates


> Trish Lynch wrote:
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> > On Tue, 22 Jun 2004, G.Rosamond wrote:
> >
> > Honestly, and I've thought this since meeting many of them....
> >
> > the OpenBSD folks would catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
> >
> > Theo attracts people like him, rude, obnoxious and always correct.
> >
> > I'm sure there are some issues with apache, but I'd love to see the
> > original emails, I'm sure they're not too friendly.
> >
> > - -Trish
>
> I like that people are expected to write code or shutup. I don't mind
> the rudeness. Not that some people don't have valuable thoughts, but all
> too often you have convention halls full of self styled experts who
> complain and demand but  don't contribute.
>
> Josh
>
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