[nycbug-talk] defcon 15 videos on line

Isaac Levy ike at lesmuug.org
Fri Oct 5 13:35:08 EDT 2007

Hey All,

On Oct 5, 2007, at 7:45 AM, csnyder wrote:

> On 10/4/07, Isaac Levy <ike at lesmuug.org> wrote:
>> Additionally, there's less incentive to *go* to the conference, if
>> everyone thinks the vids will be online afterwards- and everyone
>> knows a good con is about what happens BEING THERE... :)
> Wow. There are so many reasons why this is a *good* thing.
> By all means, encourage folks to actually go, but don't keep what went
> on there a secret. This stuff is important; it needs to be spread as
> far and wide as possible. A little part of you can be glad that your
> attendance fees subsidize this valuable service.
> If I had kids, I'd let them watch as much of this kind of TV as  
> they wanted.

Well, I whole-heartedly agree here- and really like that the CCC is  
posting all their videos...  With 8,000 attendees this summer, I  
don't think posting the vids online will harm attendance :)

However, with DefCon 15 DVD's in hand here, I opened up the EULA on  
the media- which says:

User may not (a) redistribute Information over any network (including  
any local area network); (b) rent, sell or offer for sale  
Information; (c) install the [product] on any networked drive, that  
is accessible by anyone other than User;
(d) post any Information to any online service (including extranet,  
internet or bulletin board); (e) use or permit the use of Information  
or any part thereof, as a trademark or service mark, or claim any  
proprietary rights of any sort.  SOK retains all rights not expressly  
granted by this EULA.
The content ("Information") in this [product] is proprietary and  
copyrighted by [client] ("Client").  All rights are reserved.  SOK  
grants User a non-exclusive License of the product and User may use  
"Information" contained therein solely for his or her own internal  
and non-commercial purposes.  User hereby acknowledges that an  
additional License fee is payable for an additional user of the  
[product].  User may make one machine-readable copy
as a backup.

I'm totally excited the videos are available freely online, but I'm  
really bummed about the violation of the EULA.  Copyright is a mess,  
we all know that- *but*, it's important to respect restrictive  
licenses, if we expect anyone to take our open-source licensees  
seriously.  Watching them now makes me feel schizophrenic inside...

BUT WAIT!  I lazily pursued the issue from DefCon official sources,  
and the definitive place for DefCon discussions are the DefCon  
forums- and they have the video issue covered:


In short, Nikita, a DefCon organizer (and really cool person), has  
spoken- they do wish to post all the video material online!   
Excellent.  They are working on posting it themselves, not just  
through Google Video!  AWESOME.

So, basically, all is swell, and we all get to see the vids. :)


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